Quique Setien

[henias]

Sadly Setien is a yes-man that is stuck with the golden age of barca, I think many has saw this coming. Doesnt appear to have great understanding on the players roles and not well versed when deploying our most comfortable 433 system.

 

[Catta]

Maybe EV is better than Setien, but he was cancer, and it was the right thing to do by getting rid of him.

Its better to lose the league and do the right steps towards rebuilding for the new cycle, than to win the league and have another year of this shit show.

 

[serghei]

Match day makes apparent EV doesnt want team to sit back after a comfortable first leg lead. Against liverpool when 1-0 down during halftime he instructed team to go for the goal.

EV was not a bad manager. The players just didn't respect him in the end. When you want to keep someone because he is kind and lets you do what you want, you don't respect him. Valverde was loved by the veterans because he was very weak in terms of personality, and they had a lot of freedom to do what they wanted.

EV protected the establishment to keep his job and lied to the fans by not admitting the problems. This had the result of making the problems grow and become deeper in his tenure. A top manager doesn't accept this, as they would want the full powers of the position. Weaker managers for whom Barcelona are the job they will never get again will.

Setien is following EV's footsteps day by day. Like Valverde, he will protect the status quo to stay as a manager the longest he can. His words were great at first, but he seems to be quick to disregard his principles, much like Valverde was.

 

[serghei]

So, to sum it up to the simplest idea. Elite, or even top managers, don't want to come at Barcelona because Messi + the group of veterans run this team. So what we bring are the managers who accept this. The weaker ones, for whom the title of Barca manager matters more than actually being one.

 

[Arnaez]

The only constant is the players who aren't good enough. How you gonna play great football with mediocrities like Arthur, one-legged Suarez, Busquets, Rakitic and flop signings like Coutinho and Dembele.

 

[serghei]

The only constant is the players who aren't good enough. How you gonna play great football with mediocrities like Arthur, one-legged Suarez, Busquets, Rakitic and flop signings like Coutinho and Dembele.

Lol, no. The problem is not players who aren't good enough. The problems are players who don't work enough or are past it. Whose legs are tired, and whose motivation is shot. And who, despite all of this, make the shots in the team because the crap board we have is sleeping and allows it to happen.

 

[serghei]

Mourinho came at Madrid, and Raul, the no1 veteran and legend of the team, was told the time has come to find a team with lesser ambitions to play at. That's the type of decisions we need. For this, you need a manager with balls, and a board/presidents who understands that these things, while unpleasant for the legends, has to happen for the team to change its core with newer, hungrier, younger players. Legends also have to accept that they are past their best by a good number of years already, and have to move on. Just go to some lesser league which is not very demanding physically, and make a lot of money.

Lol, our vertical core is Pique - Busi - Messi - Suarez. .These are the main players in each compartment, defense, defensive-midfield, creative midfield, and attack. Guess what they all have in common? All are old, past it and slow. All are legends, it's hard to move. All are probably the ones calling the shot in the team, the ones the whole team is build around.

 

[raskolnikov]

What will happen next year though? New revolutionary board wuth vision and guts?
Or lets put Xavi in and hope for Pep 2.0 tiki taka?
I want a Laporta/Rijkaard/Dinho type change, ambition and vision.

I feel as a club ever since Pep that style had become our identity and we have been chasing it desperately trying to recreate what once worked so beautifully.

But you dont have the players/managers for it. That was a lightning once in a lifetime type thing.
Go back to the style of the Rijkaard years or do something new while still having combibation/attacking type style.

 

[JamDav1982]

Mourinho came at Madrid, and Raul, the no1 veteran and legend of the team, was told the time has come to find a team with lesser ambitions to play at. That's the type of decisions we need. For this, you need a manager with balls, and a board/presidents who understands that these things, while unpleasant for the legends, has to happen for the team to change its core with newer, hungrier, younger players. Legends also have to accept that they are past their best by a good number of years already, and have to move on. Just go to some lesser league which is not very demanding physically, and make a lot of money.

Lol, our vertical core is Pique - Busi - Messi - Suarez. .These are the main players in each compartment, defense, defensive-midfield, creative midfield, and attack. Guess what they all have in common? All are old, past it and slow. All are legends, it's hard to move. All are probably the ones calling the shot in the team, the ones the whole team is build around.

Not the same.

Mourinho wanted him to stay and Raul decided to move on as could see the team was no longer his and he would not be a regular starter.

Wish more Barca players could see past themselves to admit that.

 

[raskolnikov]

The only constant is the players who aren't good enough. How you gonna play great football with mediocrities like Arthur, one-legged Suarez, Busquets, Rakitic and flop signings like Coutinho and Dembele.

I still feel its the board/managers style. Suddenly everyone that joins sucks at Barca. Its not logical thats the players.
I guarentee if you put Dembele, coutinho, Griezmann, Arthur, De Jong in a Klopp team they woukd all be crushing it.

 

[mc_lovin]

Dembele

Oh well. We wouldnt be in so much shit if he wasnt cursed.

 

[serghei]

What will happen next year though? New revolutionary board wuth vision and guts?
Or lets put Xavi in and hope for Pep 2.0 tiki taka?
I want a Laporta/Rijkaard/Dinho type change, ambition and vision.

I feel as a club ever since Pep that style had become our identity and we have been chasing it desperately trying to recreate what once worked so beautifully.

But you dont have the players/managers for it. That was a lightning once in a lifetime type thing.
Go back to the style of the Rijkaard years or do something new while still having combibation/attacking type style.

If I had to bet, this season, probably trophy-less, will not implement change by itself. It will come down to a speech from the veterans like "you can't always win La Liga", something that will obviously signal that we've won La Liga a lot in recent times. So, this season will be reduced to a bad one among good seasons, a sign of normalcy. "Win a lot, but you also lose some" type of thing. If we are stuffed in CL, the speech will be harder to sell, but the Amigos are very good at selling bullshit.

Then, this will probably put huge pressure over the next season, because they will have to bounce back. Like it's said in horse-racing. One crap season happens, two back to back crap seasons is non-performance and heads have to roll. If a bad season happens again, that would be probably an objectively good chance to rebuild and move most veterans, except probably Messi, who would be the last man standing going into 2021-22 season. At 34.

2021 is when we will see what Messi's reaction to losing his amigos will be. He will be an outsider, oldest one, with many teammates none of which are his friends the way the old guard were, having played hundreds of matches with them. If he is a true captain like Xavi, or Iniesta, willing to play some games, follow manager instructions, and accept he's an oldie now and not the one making the shots anymore, fine. If not, he has to be moved quickly as well.

By 2022-23 Messi should be moving to a last fat contract outside of Europe. Arabia, USA, where he wants. People fantasize about Messi playing until 40, but the only players who get near that age are fitness freaks and consummate professionals. Messi is far from being that.

 

[mc_lovin]

By 2022-23 Messi should be moving to a last fat contract outside of Europe. Arabia, USA, where he wants. People fantasize about Messi playing until 40, but the only players who get near that age are fitness freaks and consummate professionals. Messi is far from being that.

Messi is incredibly dedicated - like Ronaldo, whos a "fitness freak", but looks on a heavy decline. No outfield player will play on a great level past 35 (with maybe centrebacks being the exception). Just wanted to say that I agree with you, but has nothing to do with his lifestyle or anything.

And I hope for a deep first cut next season. Not a complete overhaul, which is unrealistic, but at least two of our older players gone.

 

[Messigician]

Feel like pure shit just want Valverde back. Lopetugei was Valverde's whipping boy

 

[Total-Football]

There is a trending video of being sport 's reporter Achraf Ben Ayad talking about Valverde which is borderline insanity. He said that he kept it a secret for so long. Right after the Liverpool disgrace at a field, AChraf was about to interview Valverde about the getafe game 3 days later amidst talks about his sacking and potential stepping aside.. The pressure was huge on the players for that shameful defeat. And what was the first thing Ernesto told Achraf? " I am in the mood for so Falafel Achraf" lmao.. And not only that, Achraf said Valverde was so serious about it he kept texting him privately requesting some list of restaurants specialized in Falafel. And ? couple of weeks later Barca lost to Belbao, the pressure mounted up, Ernesto again texted him asking him to invite him for some Falafel lmao.. Achraf said the contrast was huge between how the fans felt at the time and how Valverde was and he told him that.

That's who barcas snakes hire. Spineless managers who already feel that they are accomplished coaching Barcelona, so much so that they give little fucks about passion.