Quique Setien
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MTL_Barca
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Just one post above you explained how it's all Messi...so EV the genius was the exception or how does that add up?
The team gets older and worse every year and the board does little to stop that process. Valverde would've failed this season as well, it's not like they just sacked him for no reason.
Richard.H
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At the end of the day, part of Messi's job is to take instruction from the manager. If he feels he is superior to the manager, then it's time to move to another team. You're speaking as though Setien was a sunday league coach.
Debatable. Yes EV did make our defense better but midfield turned into shit and players got complacent. Never forget Roma and Liverpool. What we see with Setien now is a consequence of the state EV left this club in.
Once again not a very good example. Most bosses do not know more their average employees. A good employee still realizes that the boss is a boss and at the very least has to listen to what he says instead of acting like a diva. Do that in any other job besides sports and you're fired.
Once again not really a good example. Messi was still young under Rijkaard and Pep. He had other captains like Puyol, Xavi, and Iniesta who kept the players in check. There is no commanding locker room presence now besides himself and Suarez, which is hilarious. Ideally in most other teams it would be someone like Pique but Barca is scared of Messi so they let him run the show.
EV did have more trophies and more accolades but Setien took a shit Las Palmas side and made them decent. Made Betis decent who's currently in a chaos state. Even if Setien is the weakest coach Messi has seen, he is still the coach. If he has problems with him he should take it up to Ratomeu.
The players don't have to like Setien, but least they can do is respect him and Sarabia and pretend to listen to them. Players liked EV, that much is clear, but that does not automatically mean he's better than Setien.
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Just one post above you explained how it's all Messi...so EV the genius was the exception or how does that add up?
Valverde > Setien till now, both pre and during Barca. It is not even debatable.
soul24rage
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I'm sorry but that is very lol worthy
serghei
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Especially considering how under EV Barca had the worst 1st half of the season in more than a decade. Which eventually got him sacked.
Vilarrubi
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I like how BBZ automatically handed RM this year and next year's LL to make his "point" about Setien.
There's plenty of evidence Setien isn't that good without you having to make up data
that’s when it’s getting desperate. Agree with what people are saying about Setien not demanding respect as he’s a “nobody” but statistically he’s better than Valverde so far. His dropped points are against better opponents too, Valverde’s time was over, was playing the worse football ever dropping points to weak teams. Only seems Setien is worse as Madrid have improved massively. Posted a video with the stats earlier today.JamDav1982
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Real won the Champions league in EV first season when he won title and were stronger than now.
He should have gone in summer but he is a better coach than Setien.
Vilarrubi
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I was talking about this season only, as in Madrid have improved compared to the start of 19/20 season. Stats are clear on this.
Based on whole Barca manager career obviously Valverde is better. Nearly went unbeaten first season. Not even an argument.
JamDav1982
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Yeah they have got better and this season EV was a disaster and should have been gone in summer.
snowy
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That's cuz he is
Still Setien outranks him so if he really wanted it, he could still bench him. Why is everyone loosing their flippers over Messi drinking water and being swag
Again, Messi was the best player in a overall shit hits the fan in the face team performance. Boggles the mind posters wishing to decommission our best weapon.
just drinking water dude and getting ready for the fight. Not just you but using your quote for simplicity, seems like you guys want him to cower in the corner and adopt the fetal position
and that's Barca's fault, why blame Messi for being GOAT. I'm being completely honest here, I love this lil' magicman but put an idiot like me in charge, I'd have no problems benching him if I need him 100% for an upcoming game or just wanna try out another formation for kicks. Point is, I'm not saying he's a Mustang but the dude is instinctive. If you act scared around him, he'll walk all over you.
Love Luisito and the other vets too but I'd defo only play them as supersubs cuz good as they are, they no longer have enough tank capacity to go more than a few rounds. And believe it or not, once Messi gets more passes upfront or fast receivers, he'd be happy as a puppy in the park.
100% correct! If I was coach, I'd keep pointing during pressers at Barthface' s BS transfers and silly extensions. Get the media all riled up.
What you're asking here is for pointless salamalecs. Can't want warriors and ask them to act like courtesans. Unless you institute a military type culture but doubt it can happen with this gen. Culture shock would give them a heart-attack.
Setien had some good plans. His 1st games were wicked. There was this one where it was all attack and Busi had a record number of passes... As for EV, when you look at the Matchday Netflix doc. Dude was begging them to run and make faster vertical passes. The main prob with him was how he froze at Roma and Anfield and if he was forced to play negative football due to shitty squad, at least explain it in the pressers a la Mourinho so as to give Barto some flack.
serghei
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Lol, Messi is not a better manager than Setien because he is not a manager at all. . Such a logical void this statement. We've all seen what Maradona can do as a manager, even though he is one of the greatest players of all time.
Messi would probably be a terrible manager. I doubt he'll even become one at all.
. Such a logical void this statement. We've all seen what Maradona can do as a manager, even though he is one of the greatest players of all time.Messi would probably be a terrible manager. I doubt he'll even become one at all.
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DonAndres
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Letting go of Setien is a good decision in a vacuum but it is clear that the players are forcing this for all the wrong reasons. They don't want a coach, they want a friend that bends to their will. That is exactly what Valverde is and he never put any pressure on them whatsoever to get out of their comfort zone. Our performance declined over time under him in a way that was totally consistent with this notion of growing complacency.
We're gonna end up with Pimienta for the rest of this season, whom they will respect even less and basically run themselves on autopilot. Odds are very high that we not only lose La Liga but will struggle to even clinch R16 over Napoli.
The board should be under a lot of fire after the end of this season, and then there is nothing to prevent the collapse until 2021 re-elections. The core of players really have to go. Suarez/Rakitic/Alba/Busquets/Pique are more trouble than they are worth these days and Messi is as bad or worse of an Amigo influence but he at least is still critical to this team.
Xavi has basically openly declared that his coaching agreement with Barca will come as packaged with Font campaign promises, and that he demands full power over the sporting project as well as a fresh rebuild. Let us hope that he was heavily influenced by Lucho in his last season here and believes in the necessity to drastically upheave the status quo and set his authority. I also hope he isn't stubborn and dogmatic like Setien about possession at the cost of everything else. I'm not sure how his Al Sadd team plays but I would hope he shows some real forward thinking when he does come to Barca.
We're gonna end up with Pimienta for the rest of this season, whom they will respect even less and basically run themselves on autopilot. Odds are very high that we not only lose La Liga but will struggle to even clinch R16 over Napoli.
The board should be under a lot of fire after the end of this season, and then there is nothing to prevent the collapse until 2021 re-elections. The core of players really have to go. Suarez/Rakitic/Alba/Busquets/Pique are more trouble than they are worth these days and Messi is as bad or worse of an Amigo influence but he at least is still critical to this team.
Xavi has basically openly declared that his coaching agreement with Barca will come as packaged with Font campaign promises, and that he demands full power over the sporting project as well as a fresh rebuild. Let us hope that he was heavily influenced by Lucho in his last season here and believes in the necessity to drastically upheave the status quo and set his authority. I also hope he isn't stubborn and dogmatic like Setien about possession at the cost of everything else. I'm not sure how his Al Sadd team plays but I would hope he shows some real forward thinking when he does come to Barca.
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