Quique Setien

[Rory]

I'm all for Allegri. A manager who has won things, he commands far more respect than the likes of Setien and Valverde and we managed to win a few things with Valverde. Won serie a with Milan after they hadn't won it for years.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Barcelona has scored 49 goals in 19 league matched under EV this season.
We played a few matches without Messi.

And 33 goals in 18 matches under Setien.

Only 6 Months ago people used to say that a team will fly under a new coach.

And: "we can't possibly play worse than under EV."

You guys are so romantic and naive.

Again you always forget the players were in terrible shape before and all that blame goes to Valverde. You forget he ruined the off-season workouts and has done nothing to improve their physical condition for years. Valverde ruined us and the management.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Say what you what about Valverde and things were certainly spiralling downwards in his last few months at the club, but with him at the helm there was always a sense of control, stability and calm at the club. Even if you believe this aura was false, that is what it appeared like to most other fans looking in.

With Setien the lid has come off and the circus is on full display. Don't compare the two, they are not on the same level.

I think people forgot already how bad our games were. We were mostly lucky winning games and watching games made your eyes bleed, thats how bad we were!

 

[Andrew M]

I'm all for Allegri. A manager who has won things, he commands far more respect than the likes of Setien and Valverde and we managed to win a few things with Valverde. Won serie a with Milan after they hadn't won it for years.

We won titles under Valverde who has a similarly pragmatic approach and people were still unhappy.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Barcelona has scored 49 goals in 19 league matched under EV this season.
We played a few matches without Messi.

And 33 goals in 18 matches under Setien.

Only 6 Months ago people used to say that a team will fly under a new coach.

And: "we can't possibly play worse than under EV."

You guys are so romantic and naive.

Ffs this is getting boring as fuck now.

Valverde won 40 points from 19 games this season (the worst record in last 14 years) dropping points against Levante, Granada, Osasuna. Setien is on course for 42 points out of 19 games, or do you prefer goals to points now? Always saw you as a results kind of guy..... or does that not fit your agenda defending Valverde?

Valverde had to leave, no doubts about it. The signs were there and he should have gone at the end of the previous season. The fact he won La Liga two previous seasons doesn't mean shit this season, the guys on here thinking we would have won La Liga if we kept Valverde and romantic and naive too.

We needed change and it failed. Shit football under Valverde, shit football under Setien. It's okay to admit both Valverde had to go and Setien too. This constant defending of Valverde is dumb as fuck.

 

[Birdy]

Barcelona has scored 49 goals in 19 league matched under EV this season.
We played a few matches without Messi.

And 33 goals in 18 matches under Setien.

Only 6 Months ago people used to say that a team will fly under a new coach.

And: "we can't possibly play worse than under EV."

You guys are so romantic and naive.

See the problem is you are reading the wrong stats.
First of all you did not provide goals against. But in any case goals for and against are only the surface.

If one looks underneath, hola: Setien has improved the offensive output of the team, but the players fail to take their chances.
One good example is Messi:

Setien has given Messi the chance to shoot significantly more (7.6 compared to 3.6 shots per 90) and from positions closer to the goal (0.83 xG compared to 0.47 xG), but Messi for some reason has failed to be as effective (0.64 goals compared to 0.92).
And that's only one example.
I can be posting underlying stats all day long that prove Setien did a much better job than EV.

Now, if you wanna psychologize that, you can say that Messi and Amigos felt more comfortable with EV (no training, dictating how the team should play etc) and that had an effect in their effectiveness etc. And that maybe the only quasi-rational argument you can put forward for arguing that EV did a better job.
Because tactically he didn't, that argument flies in the face of reality.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Messi probably playing too deep and making his finishes after a big run. Makes less precise kicks.

Not sure if there's any truth to it but it could explain something.

Messis finishing been very off lately though.

 

[Potroh]

the guys on here thinking we would have won La Liga if we kept Valverde and romantic and naive too.

More often than it was needed, I'd said several times here a year ago, that there is no way anything else could come but the present situation.
Of course the reason is not Setien, as he has tried to put together this team in his own way, but the damage caused by Valverde for more than two years had its effect on everything.
Add the brainless and stubborn board and you get the result.

At least Setien didn't go back to the "play it safe" mentality of Valverde, he experimented a lot, tactically and regarding the setup too, this aging team was capable of this much and nothing more.

Griezmann's purchase was a brainless one, as he is not a fit for this team and plays in Messi's position, and the only guy - Dembele - who has speed and is able to dribble apart from Messi - was eliminated by constant injuries, Suarez is a shadow of himself, the midfield is chaotic and the defense is truly vulnerable.

The lack of proper planning is the actual cause of this disaster, which is not the end of the world, as football is such a game. Real Madrid has simply been consistent and it tells the story.
It will take a few years to climb to the top once again with a newer generation, but it will happen...

 

[Barcilliant]

Mourinho and Allegri are worlds apart in any aspect of coaching. Allegri is not negative at all, his Juve played some pretty good stuff when he had actual midfielders. What did you expect him to do with Matuidi and Khedira as his midfielders? You can put CR, Messi and Maradona up front when there's no one to get them the ball.

He's not Pep but he's also not Mourinho or Simeone. His main strength is adapting to whatever he has and great man management. He's smart and flexible to find the best solution tactically for this team, but also has the reputation and accolades to demand respect in the locker room. Yes he likes to drop back sometimes, but it's not to park the bus like Mou or Simeone. He soaks up the pressure and hits on the counter. If I'd have to make a comparison I'd say him and Zidane are very, very similar coaches.

Allegri at Juventus: 1.93 goals per game
Mourinho at United: 1.74
Pochettino at Spurs: 1.90
SAF at United: 1.94 (Was he a defensive manager?)
Klopp at Liverpool/Dortmund: 2.13/1.99

What did he do to Dybala? Dybala acted like a spoiled brat, protesting substitutions, no effort at all, very lethargic. Bad season last year is as much on him and his behavior as it is on Allegri and failing to find a tactical solution for him and CR together. Sarri did it this year, but the team as a whole is worse.

Anyway, who was Dybala's coach for the first 3 years when he played great? Who gave Pogba the best season of his career? Who promoted Bentancur? Who got the best out of Morata? Allegri. At Milan he promoted De Sciglio and El Shaarawy, great talents at the time. He developed enough youngsters over the years. If they're good enough they'll play.

De Jong might actually play his position and be what he was at Ajax.

We need to stop with this idea that the next Pep is right around the corner. You can tell from Messi's words yesterday he's fed up. We need a top coach who will do the maximum possible with Messi's final years.

Good post.

People think that the next Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Pep are somewhere out there. They aren't.
A great manager gets the best out of the players he has. He creates the best possible system and doesn't impose a cookie cutter style on the team. No way can this fucking team play 433. Even if you took out half the amigos we couldn't play 433.
433 can only be a high pressure system with younger hungry players. Next season we need to sign a cb and a box to box midfielder. This team has no ability to absorb pressure. Even lesser teams make this side nervous.
Get Allegri in right now. Give him one season. We can do alot worse.

 

[DonAK]

Allegri is a negative coach or similar to Valverde, but being better at what he does obviously. As simple as that. Keep your long post.

We don't need another man that loves playing older players and his favorites. Just fuck off with your Allegris, Mourinhos.

What this team need is a man to lead a new project, not another guy that will try to squeeze out a good year or two but ultimately fail.

 

[Vilarrubi]

More often than it was needed, I'd said several times here a year ago, that there is no way anything else could come but the present situation.
Of course the reason is not Setien, as he has tried to put together this team in his own way, but the damage caused by Valverde for more than two years had its effect on everything.
Add the brainless and stubborn board and you get the result.

At least Setien didn't go back to the "play it safe" mentality of Valverde, he experimented a lot, tactically and regarding the setup too, this aging team was capable of this much and nothing more.

Griezmann's purchase was a brainless one, as he is not a fit for this team and plays in Messi's position, and the only guy - Dembele - who has speed and is able to dribble apart from Messi - was eliminated by constant injuries, Suarez is a shadow of himself, the midfield is chaotic and the defense is truly vulnerable.

The lack of proper planning is the actual cause of this disaster, which is not the end of the world, as football is such a game. Real Madrid has simply been consistent and it tells the story.
It will take a few years to climb to the top once again with a newer generation, but it will happen...

Yep. Actually this was the best thing that could happen imo. Scraping a La Liga win playing how we were and papering over the cracks would do us more damage. At least big changes have to happen now, but who knows with Barto.

 

[ILCAML]

The orphaned children syndrome is gonna be so strong post-Messi with this kind of thinking lmao

No, I'm not saying this because I think Messi is bigger than the club or because I think there's no life post-Messi. I just think you have to do the most you possibly can when you have generational players like him in the team. And I don't think this team is as bad as it looks or as hopeless. The right manager who will have the backing of the locker room and actually be a top coach who knows tactics, who changes games with his decisions, substitutions etc. can still win the biggest trophies.

We won titles under Valverde who has a similarly pragmatic approach and people were still unhappy.

I think a lot of that came from being embarrassed in CL two years in a row. Besides, Allegri is 10x the coach Valverde is. For me right behind Pep, but top 5 nonetheless.

Allegri is a negative coach or similar to Valverde, but being better at what he does obviously. As simple as that. Keep your long post.

We don't need another man that loves playing older players and his favorites. Just fuck off with your Allegris, Mourinhos.

What this team need is a man to lead a new project, not another guy that will try to squeeze out a good year or two but ultimately fail.

 

[Devils]

My vote goes to Brendan 'Tiki-Taka' Rodgers.

Proper manager, dawg.

 

[DonAK]

People actually want Allegri at this club

And then they complain about Bartomeu. Allegri is so great he's still out of a job.

 

[vegitot]

He wont let Puig, Fati, Arujo play for Barca B play off match.