Rafa Benitez - The Destroyer of Teams

[Sterlingfan2000]

I rewatched the game yesterday and it's extremely clear he doesn't have the support of the players. In the Sky Sports post match show, Henry passed some remarks about the same thing. They did not give even 70%, let alone 100. The Madrid players should really be embarrassed at their display yesterday. Ramos and Varane were awful in pretty much all the goals, Kroos is always in no-man's land, BBC did not track bad, nor did they show any desire to help the team. The only OK players were James and Marcelo (Modric tried but messed up too often).

Ultimately it's Rafa's fault that he doesn't have his players' confidence, but for yesterday's game I wouldn't pin the problems entirely on his tactics. Not sure if even playing Casemiro would have helped. At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if Rafa played his most attacking players to keep Flo and Cristiano happy.

Look at this, nobody came to help Modric for the 2nd Barca goal:


https://streamable.com/wzq0

I had similar feeling at the game. We dominated but something was not right , the attidude of the real madrid players especially ramos. Maybe it was Ramos and Ronaldos Plot to get him sacked, Real Madrid players have high egos and Ramos and Ronaldo are the heads. Mourinho asked for them to be sold during Real and warned Florentino that both have too much power.

And the video , wtf is Real doing ^^ 4 Players at striker , noone tracking back.

 

[Darko]

Its all Perez though, he is like a kid playing fifa not getting tactics at all. "I want all the best players, why isnt this working like I want to? must be the coach"

It has been like that for years, but Mou and Ancelotti still managed to win something, it doesn't look like Benitez will do the same.

 

[El Flaco]

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[JamDav1982]

Real have a midfield that prefers to keep possession and a front three that prefer to play on the break.

Modric, Kroos and James want to keep the ball and take game up park a bit slower to get into final third and help dictate the play there. Three of them are great on the ball but not athletes that will get up and support front three quickly.

The front three want the ball as early as possible as they are more athletes than superior technical players and dont want the slower play that suits the midfield.

In past it has been the full backs as much as anyone trying to link it together with Marcelo/Carvajal up and down pitch all day. There was none of that on Saturday.

Real dont look like playing as a coherent team.

They need to buy in to one idea and sell the players that dont suit it. Instead of just going for great individuals that dont compliment one another. The last time it worked they had Di Maria as the link between the two in a CM/LW type role and full backs up and down the park for 90 mins.

 

[Fibonacci]

Do any of you think the lineup could've been a ploy from Rafa? The players (and everyone else) were complaining about his lineups being too defensive, about how his football waas not attacking enough. So he decided to do what the players want: play with an attacking lineup. And as they got killed by us he can now turn to the players and say, "see, you wanted this, and how did that work out?"

Perhaps it's going too far, but in some sense it looks somewhat similar to what Luis Enrique did last year, namely field a lineup which was bound to fail, but which people and the players were demanding (Iniesta-Xavi midfield). After the terrible performance he could turn to the players and say, "any more good ideas?"

 

[Jamie Cal]

According to balague, perez give him the OK to bench anyone expect Gareth bale.

I wanted to see him slump in his chair on Sky after the loss. Tubby, bullshitting cunt.

 

[Beast]

I rewatched the game yesterday and it's extremely clear he doesn't have the support of the players. In the Sky Sports post match show, Henry passed some remarks about the same thing. They did not give even 70%, let alone 100. The Madrid players should really be embarrassed at their display yesterday. Ramos and Varane were awful in pretty much all the goals, Kroos is always in no-man's land, BBC did not track bad, nor did they show any desire to help the team. The only OK players were James and Marcelo (Modric tried but messed up too often).

Ultimately it's Rafa's fault that he doesn't have his players' confidence, but for yesterday's game I wouldn't pin the problems entirely on his tactics. Not sure if even playing Casemiro would have helped. At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if Rafa played his most attacking players to keep Flo and Cristiano happy.

Look at this, nobody came to help Modric for the 2nd Barca goal:


https://streamable.com/wzq0

It's part of the manager job to make the players believe in him... that's not the players job that's the manager job.. like Jose , like Carlo , like Klopp
if you can't win the players who play for you you are bound to lose ... you cannot change 11 players but you can change the manager
all those remarks you noticed was non-existing during Carlo days.. i personally lost the amount of times i saw CR standing in the corners in a defensive position ..they did it happily because they believed in the manager ability .. Look no further that how Carlo switched Di Maria to a midfield engine not a slacking winger... that's a MANAGER..

Sacking Ancelotti was a bad decision, but that's Real Madrid for you.... I think Florentino also particularly disliked the very close relationship between the players and him and wanted a more disciplined approach towards them. I bet he's a big fan of Mourinho despite of him fucking up and playing dirty.

Good for us though.

I do however also think the Real Madrid players share a part of the blame. Too much of a diva attitude. Get your heads out of your asses and atleast try. Help out instead of bitching all the time it doesn't go your way.

As i said to footyfan those issues were not there when Carlo was in charge... no one was on board of sacking Carlo except Perez & we are paying heavily for sacking the most suitable manager for us with the current setup....

I can't understand the hate for Benitez.
It seems his professional business-like demeanor, which at times makes him seem cold and distant, is clouding everyone's judgement.

He has had to deal with numerous injuries, players who can't be dropped due to commercial/political reasons, a prima-donna who is now a nightmare to deal with and a media that is out to get him.
Yet Real Madrid are only 6 points behind with 26 games left. An unbiased analysis of those 26 games indicates that Real Madrid have an easier fixture list than Atletico and Barca.

The real problems lie with:
1. Impatient fan base. (most of us?)
2. A haphazard transfer policy. (blame Perez?)
3. Internal politics which have given some players way too much power. (blame Perez?)
4. Media (an issue in every country?)

My only problem with Benitez was that he should have stuck to his beliefs and kept Casemiro and Carvajal in the squad.

There is nothing called Business like demeanor in football... you are not dealing with papers & business decisions as a manager .. you are dealing with people who have their needs , emotions , love & hate etc... that's why Rafa failed in Liverpool after a good start , ditto Inter... hell even a player who was the fulcrum in his Liverpool side (Xabi ) ended up hating him... listen to Gerrard words on Rafa ...
Rafa tactics are outdated , his man-management are the worst ... there is simply no positive spin you can add to Rafa managerial period with Real .. his best period came 10 years ago and if that's the case i'd take Capello back who is head & shoulders better than Rafa in everything.. who knows how to build a team tactic despite failure as a national team manager

 

[Beast]

Do any of you think the lineup could've been a ploy from Rafa? The players (and everyone else) were complaining about his lineups being too defensive, about how his football waas not attacking enough. So he decided to do what the players want: play with an attacking lineup. And as they got killed by us he can now turn to the players and say, "see, you wanted this, and how did that work out?"

Perhaps it's going too far, but in some sense it looks somewhat similar to what Luis Enrique did last year, namely field a lineup which was bound to fail, but which people and the players were demanding (Iniesta-Xavi midfield). After the terrible performance he could turn to the players and say, "any more good ideas?"

It's not about the choice of players... it's about the tactics .. as Sid Lowe said.. the formation of 6-0-4 is a failure no matter who you put on the pitch.. the players are not at fault for asking Kroos & Modric to keep at the back.. the strikers were deprived from the service ..

Real have a midfield that prefers to keep possession and a front three that prefer to play on the break.

Modric, Kroos and James want to keep the ball and take game up park a bit slower to get into final third and help dictate the play there. Three of them are great on the ball but not athletes that will get up and support front three quickly.

The front three want the ball as early as possible as they are more athletes than superior technical players and dont want the slower play that suits the midfield.

In past it has been the full backs as much as anyone trying to link it together with Marcelo/Carvajal up and down pitch all day. There was none of that on Saturday.

Real dont look like playing as a coherent team.

They need to buy in to one idea and sell the players that dont suit it. Instead of just going for great individuals that dont compliment one another. The last time it worked they had Di Maria as the link between the two in a CM/LW type role and full backs up and down the park for 90 mins.

It worked last year with Carlo because he knew how to play the players in the right tactics & position... 4-3-3 .. no DM , no proper backup subs like Rafa has.. in the Clasico he switched to 4-4-2 and it worked brilliantly .. against Barca you control the midfield not leave acres of space for a talented midfield to dominate ... Saturday was piggy in the middle for Barca.. there is no excuse

 

[JamDav1982]

Didnt work all that well last year though.

Real won nothing, Barca won the league quite comfortably in the end and Real were eliminated by Juve in CL.

 

[Beast]

Yes we won nothing thanks to lack of replacement for the injured Modric when he got injured followed by James for 2.5 month... not because it didn't work... you barely won 2-1 in Camp nou & lost 3-1 in the Bernabeu ..
Rafa has more than enough subs whether in Kova-Casemiro-Vasquez etc

 

[JamDav1982]

Yes we won nothing thanks to lack of replacement for the injured Modric when he got injured followed by James for 2.5 month... not because it didn't work... you barely won 2-1 in Camp nou & lost 3-1 in the Bernabeu ..
Rafa has more than enough subs whether in Kova-Casemiro-Vasquez etc

Every team gets injuries.

'Modric injury the reason Real won nothing' is just an excuse.

Barca had fair share of injuries and Suarez missed a large chunk of season as well.

 

[Barcaman]

They were better than us in both Clasico and had they won the Camp Nou one things would have probably panned differently.

 

[JamDav1982]

They were better than us in both Clasico and had they won the Camp Nou one things would have probably panned differently.

They were not better overall in the second classico. First half maybe slightly better the second half Barca dominated and could have scored more.

In first half of season Barca were poor for long spells.

Barca picked up more points against other teams in league than they did and when pressure was on towards end they held up better.

 

[MagIX]

As Napoli fan, I am really happy that sancho panza left us.
Now we are on the top and we are playing a very good soccer.

 

[raskolnikov]

We give Real of last season too much credit. Dnt even get into that Madridista way of thinking they were stronger than us but lack of rotations and injuries killed their season and allowed us to win the dribble.
We also lost to malaga twice doesnt make them better. They were better the first classico but so was psg, post Anoeta we owned all except for malaga and the classico was about even. The treble was fully deserved, its nice to win classico's but your season doesnt depend on it. We aso beat them twice in 2013/14 and won fuck all. Yet nobody gives us a similair amount of credit despite their trophy wins being more lucky/flukes than ours.