Real Madrid (old thread)

[Beast]

He is complaining about lack of back up in the striker position not in the team ..
to be fair he did complain since pre-season that he needed an extra striker in case something happened to one off Higuain /Benzema he will be left without a back up

 

[Jordzibob]

He is complaining about lack of back up in the striker position not in the team ..
to be fair he did complain since pre-season that he needed an extra striker in case something happened to one off Higuain /Benzema he will be left without a back up

Yeh but with Benzema in the team he's been getting a few assists and Ronaldo has been scoring shitloads anyway, so what is he complaining now on the basis one of them two might get injured aswell? You have so many good AM's, surely he can adapt the formation to still work even if that happened. Benzema's invisible most of the game and you've still be thrashing teams. Imo, he needs to stfu. We have Bojan and you dont see Pep complaining. In fact he keeps giving the little fucker chance after chance after chance.

 

[Beast]

your spaniard friends, that might be a small sample. I'm talking about what you can read in forums or polls in the newspapers, i started checking RMfans forum since you refered it to me a while ago. Check the Valdano thread, you will find it surprising, most of them disrespect Valdano, which i find it weird for the reasons you stated above. Now they use the word philosopher as a sarcasm for him, they call him "rapsoda". That's why i asked you, cos' I really don't have a clear opinion on him and I find it weird that there is a madridista through and through with high apreciation of Valdano after checking the opinions regarding Valdano on those forums

No they don't use it as a sarcasm , it's his nickname due to the book he wrote " dreams of football " and his writings in newspapers (when he was free ) .
His affect goes beyond that to the extent Raul gonzalez himself named his first son after Jorge as a tribute to the man .
Forums are exactly like here.. not everyone is a cule through and through.. you have people here who don't know anything about Barca pre-Dinho some don't even know anything pre-messi except some youtubes .. they didn't live the Gaspart, the Van Gaal and for them Rivaldo is just another Brazilian and Laudrup is just a traitor .
Those who attack Valdano on RM forum are those who think Jose has a valid point and that Valdano is wrong not to give in, and probably some are still pissed they let Raul go ...they were probably too young didn't see us suffer in the 90's and didn't know what the man did from Raul to Redondo .. the shape that allowed Real to be back on top after years of decline , no one had the power to tell Butre (Similar to Raul case ) your time is over and throw in 17 year old Raul in his place.

Valdano is well respected among our socio's and real fans , did you see anyone point a finger towards him before ? you won't .. but like every forum it gather all walks of life

 

[AnfieldEd]

So Valdano can do no wrong?!

You make fun of liverpool fans and their lustre of Dalglish yet Valdano in similar position (in terms of their gravitas in the club and their history with the club) is a completely different scenario?

Hey I agree with you Valdano helped take you out of the decline and set the example for others to follow and deserves his position at the club for all his efforts of the years for Real. Same with the King.

Though this doesn't mean that their opinions should be stated as facts and it does not mean they are correct in everything they say. Though I am on Valdano's side here against Mourinho.

Mourinho knew the circumstances in which he took the job, he knew the squad he inherited and I would say that he has to live with that until the summer when you get Llorente.

Mourinho never stays for long in any job though and always seems to find someone to argue with i.e. Abramovich

 

[ricknattery]

No they don't use it as a sarcasm , it's his nickname due to the book he wrote " dreams of football " and his writings in newspapers (when he was free ) .
His affect goes beyond that to the extent Raul gonzalez himself named his first son after Jorge as a tribute to the man .
Forums are exactly like here.. not everyone is a cule through and through.. you have people here who don't know anything about Barca pre-Dinho some don't even know anything pre-messi except some youtubes .. they didn't live the Gaspart, the Van Gaal and for them Rivaldo is just another Brazilian and Laudrup is just a traitor .
Those who attack Valdano on RM forum are those who think Jose has a valid point and that Valdano is wrong not to give in, and probably some are still pissed they let Raul go ...they were probably too young didn't see us suffer in the 90's and didn't know what the man did from Raul to Redondo .. the shape that allowed Real to be back on top after years of decline , no one had the power to tell Butre (Similar to Raul case ) your time is over and throw in 17 year old Raul in his place.

Valdano is well respected among our socio's and real fans , did you see anyone point a finger towards him before ? you won't .. but like every forum it gather all walks of life

That makes sense. I know Valdano is known as a philosopher in football, he gives conferences in many countries, the man has lots of knowledge. That's why I said NOW, cos' this fans use it in a despective way. I guess I shouldn't take the opinions on that forum so seriously, because it's clear that most of them hate Valdano and know nothing about what he has done in the past. That forum must be filled with people following Madrid since the galactico era then. Anyway, thanks for the quick review on Valdano's meaning to your club, Beast

 

[FCBarca]

Ton of respect for Valdano and I hope he continues there

 

[Beast]

So Valdano can do no wrong?!

You make fun of liverpool fans and their lustre of Dalglish yet Valdano in similar position (in terms of their gravitas in the club and their history with the club) is a completely different scenario?

Hey I agree with you Valdano helped take you out of the decline and set the example for others to follow and deserves his position at the club for all his efforts of the years for Real. Same with the King.

Though this doesn't mean that their opinions should be stated as facts and it does not mean they are correct in everything they say. Though I am on Valdano's side here against Mourinho.

Mourinho knew the circumstances in which he took the job, he knew the squad he inherited and I would say that he has to live with that until the summer when you get Llorente.

Mourinho never stays for long in any job though and always seems to find someone to argue with i.e. Abramovich

Eddie there is a big difference between Valdano and King Kenny
for example , last year after Lyon game people/press everyone begged him to take over from Pellegrini and he refused , why ? cause he know he is out of the pitch for over 15 years now and he is not suitable to go back to coaching or sack a manager in mid season.
that's the difference Eddie , not Kenny (he was brilliant as a player /manager back in the days) as the old man but the current kenny by getting back from a long time of retirement is just wishful thinking.. football need constant practice in whatever position and Kenny is as rusty as fuck .
i respect Cruyff in that respect even the Catalan position is more like an honorary position without the daily pressure of club football .
and no Valdano did some wrongs like everyone else , mainly towards his last years with Perez first stint .. he should have refused the sacking of Del Bosque and releasing Hierro but he went along Perez ideas and i guess that experience made him state his terms on Perez this time around

That makes sense. I know Valdano is known as a philosopher in football, he gives conferences in many countries, the man has lots of knowledge. That's why I said NOW, cos' this fans use it in a despective way. I guess I shouldn't take the opinions on that forum so seriously, because it's clear that most of them hate Valdano and know nothing about what he has done in the past. That forum must be filled with people following Madrid since the galactico era then. Anyway, thanks for the quick review on Valdano's meaning to your club, Beast

You're welcome Rick , i checked our forum out of curiosity now and as i suspected .
a RM English fan with Michael Owen avatar , and pro-Jose brigade .
once you start to lose your legends who formed and spell blood for the club for a non Madridista it's the end.. although knowing Jorge don't count out the possibility that he resign (did that with Perez first term ) and let Jose control.
for men like Valdano and co.. RM comes first and i would never substitute him for 100 Jose and 10 CL trophies

 

[Raed]

So Valdano can do no wrong?!

You make fun of liverpool fans and their lustre of Dalglish yet Valdano in similar position (in terms of their gravitas in the club and their history with the club) is a completely different scenario?

Hey I agree with you Valdano helped take you out of the decline and set the example for others to follow and deserves his position at the club for all his efforts of the years for Real. Same with the King.

Though this doesn't mean that their opinions should be stated as facts and it does not mean they are correct in everything they say. Though I am on Valdano's side here against Mourinho.

Mourinho knew the circumstances in which he took the job, he knew the squad he inherited and I would say that he has to live with that until the summer when you get Llorente.

Mourinho never stays for long in any job though and always seems to find someone to argue with i.e. Abramovich

Against? If this is what it boils down to then this is absurd. There should be no divisions in this club not at this time we don't have the luxury to have two cocks going at each other.

 

[Xavi_78]

Eddie there is a big difference between Valdano and King Kenny
for example , last year after Lyon game people/press everyone begged him to take over from Pellegrini and he refused , why ? cause he know he is out of the pitch for over 15 years now and he is not suitable to go back to coaching or sack a manager in mid season.
that's the difference Eddie , not Kenny (he was brilliant as a player /manager back in the days) as the old man but the current kenny by getting back from a long time of retirement is just wishful thinking.. football need constant practice in whatever position and Kenny is as rusty as fuck .
i respect Cruyff in that respect even the Catalan position is more like an honorary position without the daily pressure of club football .
and no Valdano did some wrongs like everyone else , mainly towards his last years with Perez first stint .. he should have refused the sacking of Del Bosque and releasing Hierro but he went along Perez ideas and i guess that experience made him state his terms on Perez this time around




You're welcome Rick , i checked our forum out of curiosity now and as i suspected .
a RM English fan with Michael Owen avatar , and pro-Jose brigade .
once you start to lose your legends who formed and spell blood for the club for a non Madridista it's the end.. although knowing Jorge don't count out the possibility that he resign (did that with Perez first term ) and let Jose control.
for men like Valdano and co.. RM comes first and i would never substitute him for 100 Jose and 10 CL trophies

So if it would come down to Valdano or Mou, it would be Valdano then? In my opinion the right choice because as I see it, for Valdano, like him or not, will alway come the club first, regardless of personal fame and glory. With Mou, I do not know for sure where his loyalty lies, with the club his serving or his personal place in the history books.

 

[Beast]

I suspect it's the same case with Perez.. if he was against Valdano and with Jose constant whining he would have sacked Jorge.
he didn't .. Jorge will always come first for us but as i said don't exclude the surprise that Jorge resign in order not to make anyone say he made Jose fail
and it won't be Perez or anyone else..it will be his decision to quote Perez 2-3 weeks ago when the Valdano-Jose skirmish started he said " Valdano represent Real Madrid " as in represent what the club is all about .

 

[AnfieldEd]

Against? If this is what it boils down to then this is absurd. There should be no divisions in this club not at this time we don't have the luxury to have two cocks going at each other.

I am on Valdano's side because Mourinho knew the situation and the squad he inherited, thus there is no point crying about no No.9 etc when he knew what he was getting himself into.

You are right there should not be a division within the club and Mourinho will get his No.9 in the summer with Llorente so he should stop bitching.

@ Gio I understand your point of view but as a short term solution and with Hodgson being useless I believe it was the correct call. We're now being linked to the likes of Suarez where as I've been told Hodgson was trying to get a move to sign Bobby Zamora! but yes 15 years is a long time but in our hour of need when we are in a relegation battle and need a short term injection of enthusiasm at the very least back amongst the players and fans to me its a good call. But I don't want him long term.

Anyway this is a Real Madrid thread so I'll say no more on that subject here.

This is Mourinho to a tee bitching when he doesn't get his way. Proof is in the pudding. He's done it at all the previous clubs and he'll do it in the future.

 

[yusuf]

perez is the real problem...this man has produced nothing in terms of trophies except the early trophies with a squad that was already inherited from the previous regime??? the man is a guru in finance but he is clearly the problem when it comes to football

 

[Beast]

Hahaha we caught the RFEF pants down

great that the club made an official statement regarding the ref bias after such declaration on the official RFEF website

 

[AnfieldEd]

So what is the latest on the RVN deal?

 

[Raed]

Hahaha we caught the RFEF pants down

great that the club made an official statement regarding the ref bias after such declaration on the official RFEF website

I didn't quite get this when I read it, explain the details please.