Real Madrid (old thread)

[Nándor]

I disagree , tactically and mentally Jose is the man for the club...
just because some decisions are not popular or agreeable doesn't take away his ability , he needs to stay for two years at least .
that's the proper call

I don't doubt or question his tactical or mental ability. I agree that, as a coach, Mourinho is perfect for Real Madrid!!! I do however question his persona, his character. That makes him the wrong man in the end. He has all the attributes to make Real Madrid great again and greater, but he lacks loyalty to the club. He needs to be top of the club in order to function...well, he's not bigger than Real Madrid. No one is and no one ever was. If he can't

a) accept that and
b) function in the role he has now, well then by all means he should leave and stop wasting the clubs time more than a season.

Mourinho is a like mind blowing beautifull woman who is known for cheating and leaving partners first better chance she gets. But still, you enter a relationship with her and wonder how, a few months later, she ever could leave you for that doctor/lawyer or whoever.

I mean we're not talking about the Galactico Pérez who handpicked the starting XI himself!!! We're talking about Mourinho being pissed about Pérez caring more about long term relations with Bilbao, than about short-minded Mourinhos wish to get Llorente last summer allready. We're talking about him being pissed about the club not renewing Pepe in a second, but instead negotiate with the player, who is asking for !!!7m € "limpios"!!! a year.
He actually reminds me of this Dudley kid in the first Harry Potter movie, when he got like 36 presents and went completely nuts because last year it were 37.

 

[Beast]

Florentino knows Mourinho is his last chance at RM, that's why he hired him even though he doesn't have the profile that matches with Florentino's desire. He is always talking about the values of the club, about how great RM is, how honorable, how respectful with everyone they are. Still he hired mourinho cos' anywhere he coached he won titles, but Florentino likes to be the focus, likes to be the starring character in everything, he interferes in signings and stuff that are not of his concern. Mourinho is similar he wants all of the lights upon him, he wants total control. I don't see how that can work for RM, if they don't crash now, they will do it eventually. Florentino already stated that Valdano is above Mou in his eyes when Mou was asking for Valdano to complain about refs along with him.

The cancer of RM is Florentino Perez, 8 years in the club and have just won a CL and 2 ligas and to what expense? millions and millions of euros, no long-term projects, not estability. He fired Del Bosque for no apparent reason, and he continues to interfere with the coach's work. The man is a genius in finances but knows nothing about football. Also, it's not just football where Florentino is failing, he is failing in basically every other sport where Real Madrid has a team

It'll be interesting to see what happens with RM the next weeks and months

Valdano is one running the club atm not Perez

 

[ricknattery]

don't go near Jorge Raed.. just don't buddy

From what I know most of RM fans despise Valdano, they want him out since long ago. I really don't know what to think about him. Why do u have great consideration for him, Beast? Is it for the past things he has done?

 

[FCBarca]

Mou, with that overinflated ego of his, probably thought he could squeeze Valdano to the periphery due to his 'resume' but has been finding out that the world does not, after all, revolve around him

He may continue at the capital club but this marriage was never going to be anything but a circus and I can't even comprehend how any self respecting Madridista even doubted that...Fighting with the press was inevitable, fighting with management, fighting with opposing managers, refs & players was inevitable...Circus?...The circus began the moment he was signed

 

[Nándor]

Ever since Valdano has been here he has been a pain the ass. He better shut the fuck up and let the man do his job but his criticism and response against the coach is nothing constructive. What is the point of trying to out smart the manager?

Mourinho barks a lot, but that is who they hired, trying to out do him is silly and destructive. There is a point where your history with the club becomes nothing more of an inconvenience. Chasing away the world's top coach is just unnecessary especially that this stint could be worse than the previous one where we went 4 years without winning nothing.

Valdano just has sand in his vagina and is making personal differences come between him and Mourinho at the expense of the club. Branca and Mourinho never said a word against each other in public and they won the league twice and the CL. Maybe Valdano should learn to just shut the fuck up, because that is not something he is doing with Mourinho only but has been a habit of his ever since he has been appointed.

The structure has been very clear from the begining on...Mourinho can express his desires and wishes, but in the end, he will not be the one in charge of the club nore the signings. He claimed to be able to accept that and that's what he signed.
But i think Mourinho actually really thought, he could change that in time and get himself more power on the way glory. Realising now, that he can't he finds himself unable to continue working.

As for Valdano comenting...he's right to do so. It was Mourinho who brought the issue to the press and made it pubilcally by constantly crying for a striker, when the club's decision had allready been made. It's Mourinho who now uses the press again to preasure Pérez & Valdano. So, who's really acting on his personal ego?!

This situation is a lot like the one at Bayern Munich with Uli Hoeness & Van Gaal; 2 alpha males never get along well when it comes to power.

 

[FCBarca]

^ Precisely...Mou always believes the rules do not apply to him and where that might've worked in a seige mentality atmosphere for a club, it was very unlikely to work at a big club like RM

 

[Jordzibob]

He is criticizing the whining every news conference about the number 9 , than he leave his number 9 on the bench and Morata to Castilla .

This.

You have ridiculous amounts of backup in your squad, Benzema isnt the ideal number 9 but as proved when he actually came on vs Almeria, he should of started. Mourinho has no right to whinge, its pathetic. He's like a child. Any club in the world would kill to have the amount of talent Madrid have just rotting on its bench.

 

[PhilS]

Mourinho' squad is badly balanced, he is justified in trying to fix that, although trying to do it through the press is not constructive. Even more harmful is management criticizing the choice of starters. The coach must pick the starters.

Starting Benzema twice every week as sole forward would look pretty bad to any coach trying to get 100 points in La Liga, win CL, win Copa del Rey. This team has midfield talent to burn, so of course Mou has to try to convert a midfielder or two to forward. CR7 should not complain, he is the obvious choice.

 

[Raed]

He is criticizing the whining every news conference about the number 9 , than he leave his number 9 on the bench and Morata to Castilla .

Valdano doesn't stay quite he is always on the mic. That cannot be very good for the club.

 

[Beast]

From what I know most of RM fans despise Valdano, they want him out since long ago. I really don't know what to think about him. Why do u have great consideration for him, Beast? Is it for the past things he has done?

Rick , i don't know which fans you refer to here but the ones i'm friend with in Madrid, the ones i saw in my previous outings in the Bernabeu highly regard Valdano.
He is to Real what Cruyff is to Barca (to some extent ) .
Club man , great player , came to coach in one of our darkest moments and broke Barca dream team , introduced the likes of Raul and co , won the league after 4 years draught.
comments weekly on all Madrid issues ( he is called the philosopher by the way long before Pep ) , moved to the ranks from director of football to VP to now GM
he is highly regarded by all Madridistas , fans , players , managers..etc

Valdano doesn't stay quite he is always on the mic. That cannot be very good for the club.

He is the first man the press go to after every game Raed, it's his responsibility .
before Jorge words , Jose for 6 consecutive (well since Higuain was out so it's more ) is demanding a striker..blaming (indirectly ) the club management for not giving in

 

[Poor_Sunyol]

Valdano like Cruyff....

 

[FCBarca]

Mou's mistake (One of them anyway) is trying to use the same old tricks and schemes he pulled at Stamford Bridge at Milan to get the board to do his bidding...RM is not a small club that is on the periphery trying to gain relevance and even if there is merit to the argument that the structure of the hierarchy is dysfunctional, he can't expect that those same tricks are going to get him what he wants

I imagine him waking up in the morning and wondering 'Hey, I'm Jose Mourinho...I should be getting everything I ask from any club'...But, he's not at any club

Sooooo glad he never got the reins at Barca

Valdano like Cruyff....

Gio stretched that one a bit too much eh?

 

[Beast]

Valdano like Cruyff....

He is to Real Alex..
I thought you knew that...
the seeds Valdano made in the mid 90's contributed 3 CL and he continued his work after Sanz

 

[Jordzibob]

Canales, Pedro Leon, Albiol, M Diarra, L Diarra, Benzema, Kaka, Garay, Granero, sold VDV at the start of the season, Ronaldo scoring all the goals.....and Mourinho is complaining about lack of back up. That's a joke.

 

[ricknattery]

Rick , i don't know which fans you refer to here but the ones i'm friend with in Madrid, the ones i saw in my previous outings in the Bernabeu highly regard Valdano.
He is to Real what Cruyff is to Barca (to some extent ) .
Club man , great player , came to coach in one of our darkest moments and broke Barca dream team , introduced the likes of Raul and co , won the league after 4 years draught.
comments weekly on all Madrid issues ( he is called the philosopher by the way long before Pep ) , moved to the ranks from director of football to VP to now GM
he is highly regarded by all Madridistas , fans , players , managers..etc

your spaniard friends, that might be a small sample. I'm talking about what you can read in forums or polls in the newspapers, i started checking RMfans forum since you refered it to me a while ago. Check the Valdano thread, you will find it surprising, most of them disrespect Valdano, which i find it weird for the reasons you stated above. Now they use the word philosopher as a sarcasm for him, they call him "rapsoda". That's why i asked you, cos' I really don't have a clear opinion on him and I find it weird that there is a madridista through and through with high apreciation of Valdano after checking the opinions regarding Valdano on those forums