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Beast

The Observer
If Real was another club, you would have included Morata way earlier, as we did with Pedro or we are doing with Thiago. If yo uwould have played him in some Lliga matches, he wouldn't have felt the pressure AS much...
And is that why Pedro played for the first team when he was 3 years older than Morata ?
Morata is 18 year old.. Pedro started to play in the first team at the age of 21.. Iniesta started to be a starter at the age of 23
Thiago is send to B team for a reason.. he is as young as Morata.
both are not yet ready for the first team .. just because the likes of Raul and Messi started early doesn't mean everyone else will shine @ the same stage

well depends on. not in the beginning, it's not seen as a transition period but it becomes it when people realize that the players bought really aren't / can't play as good together as they used to in their previous teams. => shit in the end.

a transition period for me is when a club makes young buys, doesn't aim for 1st place. real defo aims at first place and copas.

Transition period is when you change the dynamics and personnel for the team and that's what happened in Real
Was Pepe-Albiol , now Pepe -Carvalho
was Lass-Xabi now Sami-Xabi
CR-Kaka behind two strikers
now you have CR-Ozil-Di Maria behind Benzema Or Higuain
repeat when you compare those to Sneijder-Robben team
there is always a transition period with Real , it's just never ends and that's the main problem and it has nothing to do with playing together .. has everything to do with waiting till they gel at times they never have the time for it .
add the change in manager/formation/management and you have a deja vu again

that's why i hope Jose stays .. win or lose the team needs to keep up it's shape , a trophy even as small and irrelevant for me as Copa Del Rey will help
 

Xavi_78

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As we are already talking about transition periods and coach waste I have a question for Beast/Wolfe which I always wanted to ask. It refers to del Bosque and his exit from Madrid. As far as I understand he was treated very badly from the board regardless of his succes (some would say worse than a dog) and the fact that he dedicated his life to the club. So what I do not understand is why so many Madridistas welcomed back Perez with open arms even if he not only fired but discarded one of the most succesful coaches the club ever had? This is not a dig but pure interest as I was not following football that much during that time.
 

Raed

Dr. Raed St. Claire
As we are already talking about transition periods and coach waste I have a question for Beast/Wolfe which I always wanted to ask. It refers to del Bosque and his exit from Madrid. As far as I understand he was treated very badly from the board regardless of his succes (some would say worse than a dog) and the fact that he dedicated his life to the club. So what I do not understand is why so many Madridistas welcomed back Perez with open arms even if he not only fired but discarded one of the most succesful coaches the club ever had? This is not a dig but pure interest as I was not following football that much during that time.

Welcomed him with open arms? He basically walked in unopposed. The fans had no choice because of a conservative clause set up by the club. Perez was the only one able to match the deposit required by the club from his personal wealth.
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
Throw in the fact that there was a debacle with Calderon's tenure that allowed just about anyone to slot in...And with Perez and his money, who else was really going to run against him?
 

Xavi_78

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Welcomed him with open arms? He basically walked in unopposed. The fans had no choice because of a conservative clause set up by the club. Perez was the only one able to match the deposit required by the club from his personal wealth.

I mean the fans I talked to in forums who were very happy to see him back and I find that so strange after what he did to del Bosque who seems such a decent man. I know that sounds naive and sentimental (hey, but as I am a girl it is my right to be) but he seemed to live for this club and was then treated in such a cruel way, and the whole thing makes me really sad.
 

Raed

Dr. Raed St. Claire
I mean the fans I talked to in forums who were very happy to see him back and I find that so strange after what he did to del Bosque who seems such a decent man. I know that sounds naive and sentimental (hey, but as I am a girl it is my right to be) but he seemed to live for this club and was then treated in such a cruel way, and the whole thing makes me really sad.

Not everybody is a 15 year old fan, only a few so they probably do not remember what he said about Makalele, and what he did to Hierro and Del Bosque. They remember the glamor that came with bringing in Beckham and so forth. I don't blame them they just weren't old enough.

However when Perez came back he did bring back 2 figures that were important to today's Real Madrid, Zidane and Valdano, those who pretty much steer the club in the right direction until Perez gets the itch and interferes every now and then, a la Benzema.
 

Beast

The Observer
As we are already talking about transition periods and coach waste I have a question for Beast/Wolfe which I always wanted to ask. It refers to del Bosque and his exit from Madrid. As far as I understand he was treated very badly from the board regardless of his succes (some would say worse than a dog) and the fact that he dedicated his life to the club. So what I do not understand is why so many Madridistas welcomed back Perez with open arms even if he not only fired but discarded one of the most succesful coaches the club ever had? This is not a dig but pure interest as I was not following football that much during that time.
Those are two questions not related to each other
A mixture of many things..
First Del Bosque.. Perez (back than he was the man fully in charge ) wasn't happy with Del Bosque after all the man was hired by non other than his arch nemesis Sanz who overseen two CL in his era despite many wrong financial call , so add some of the subs made(Popular players on the bench , refusal to go on extended tours..etc ) , wanted to let go of more old school players ( a year before Makelele was sent packing for Beckham ) the grandiose idea of a fully attacking team disregarding the defense.. so Del Bosque being Del Bosque pointed out the need to buy a DM to cut a long story short they turned him down and the team split into two
the Raulista and the Hierroista ...Raul protecting his position from the fierce competition of on form Ronaldo and El Moro played with Perez vs Del Bosque..
he wasn't sent packing but his contract was finished and not renewed , same thing for the Captain and leader Hierro
needless to the say the result was disastrous from Quieroz who was bought mainly to accommodate David Beckham (who caused a frenzy of fans and money generated for the club )
Del Bosque was angry not from the club but from Perez and his cronnies that's why attempts to lure him back under Calderon failed as Calderon was Perez man , Del Bosque remains our club man who spend his entire life in the club ..
the blame lies in two people , Raul Gonzalez and Perez.. the former was a very strong figure with the fans and as always protected his position in the starting line up by every means possible and Perez saw the benefit of looks (financially ) when Beckham joined .. Quieroz and after that Lux was more a handsome man in charge which is excellent for posters and commercial value (this is a billionaire businessman don't forget )
it was a fantasy dream for Perez mixing both looks and style and the club paid heavily for it .. but i think the lesson is learned as seen by the players bought this time around and who is charge.

why he was elected ? simply because of Calderon.. Madridista must maintain their prestige among other clubs despite Calderon good intentions he lacked confidence and screwed up our relation with almost everyone .. B Munich , United , Milan...etc
they did the transfers the wrong way and it affected Real prestige , add to that he always said the wrong words to the extent he became the bottom of jokes, he tried to cheat in the general assembly of the socios, the 6-2 was the last sign of any form of opposition to Perez return
..Perez coming back while he represent the exact opposite is what Madridista needed at that time... even those who thought of running against him found total support from our Socios.. he didn't even need to run an election
everyone knew Perez deliver his promises , as sneaky as you can get , excellent relation with everyone even our rivals and the result ? Kaka which Calderon failed to get he got him and signed a cooperation agreement with Milan giving both clubs first option on each other players .. CR price was Calderon mistake (signed him for all that money and put a penalty if one of the clubs wanted to cancel the deal worth 30 mil as penalty ) so it was either pay 96 million for CR or pay 30 Million Euro penalty ..
in short he was the best one around and white platform (the opposition anti-Perez group ) didn't provide substantial ideas to lure our Socios
The difference this time is that Perez isn't anything except a president , the man behind the throne is fan favourite Valdano , if Perez was in charge like the first stint for example he wouldn't last past the Lyon fiasco .
We trust Valdano and all we can hope for is more stability
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
Gotta think though...There's going to be a lot of pressure to get Valdano to resign this summer, I believe...Mou vs Valdano isn't going to stop being an issue
 
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woobie

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If it came down to it, I'm not at all sure Mourinho'd win that fight though. Granted, I am not an expert in things having to do with Madrid but my sense is that Valdano is in a pretty strong position.
 

Beast

The Observer
Gotta think though...There's going to be a lot of pressure to get Valdano to resign this summer, I believe...Mou vs Valdano isn't going to stop being an issue
For Jose it resembles his fight with Frank Arnsen with Chelsea without Valdano throwing down players in his face like Sheva and co .
I don't think it will stop for now .. Jose has strong backing among the neu-fans and the Ultras , Valdano with old school fans and socio's
a striker now would ease up the tension however....
If it came down to it, I'm not at all sure Mourinho'd win that fight though. Granted, I am not an expert in things having to do with Madrid but my sense is that Valdano is in a pretty strong position.

Valdano is in a strong position and backed fully by Perez however he may step down for the sake of the club IMO if the situation is not resolved during the remaining Winter season and it won't be Perez pushing him to do it.. Perez already publicly supported Valdano and said "he represent what Madrid stands for "

And what is your personal opinion regarding this del Bosque / Perez situation?

Del Bosque is Madrid player , assistant coach , youth coach , first team coach.. he spent his entire life in Real Madrid
Perez is a socio, a smart top businessman who love the club in his own strange way... there is no contest for anyone Del bosque wins it for all Madridismo
 

Xavi_78

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For Jose it resembles his fight with Frank Arnsen with Chelsea without Valdano throwing down players in his face like Sheva and co .
I don't think it will stop for now .. Jose has strong backing among the neu-fans and the Ultras , Valdano with old school fans and socio's
a striker now would ease up the tension however....


Valdano is in a strong position and backed fully by Perez however he may step down for the sake of the club IMO if the situation is not resolved during the remaining Winter season and it won't be Perez pushing him to do it.. Perez already publicly supported Valdano and said "he represent what Madrid stands for "



Del Bosque is Madrid player , assistant coach , youth coach , first team coach.. he spent his entire life in Real Madrid
Perez is a socio, a smart top businessman who love the club in his own strange way... there is no contest for anyone Del bosque wins it for all Madridismo

Here in Germany we have a soccer magazine which is called "11 Freunde (friends)". They are really phantastic doing great features and columns. During the WC they had a phantastic portraet of Del Bosque, of his upbringing in difficult cirumstances (his father was not allowed to work due to political reasons and the death of his brother) and his work for the club and I was really, really impressed by this man. That is thre reason why I asked the madridistas here.
 

Beast

The Observer
Cadena SER reported on their radio last night that we will pay Kun Aguero release clause for next june, sell Benzema and buy Llorente

i see no logic in buying Aguero at all
 
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