Real Madrid (old thread)

[Lemmi]

my god beast if you cant understand the spreadsheet you need help.

just because barca valued eto'o at that doesnt mean any monetary exchange took place to show such on an expenditure sheet. it was 48ME that was transferred, end.

 

[Gnegneri]

I think you are unnecessarily rude towards me beast, while you are wrong. I can take it, that ain't the problem, but I will cease here cause I didn't expect this from you in such a simple matter with that tone.

 

[Valon]

Look, you start making me doubt my own calculations so I put them nice and clean:

What is wrong with that?

This. You can say whatever you want and argue whatever you wish and twist it in 100 ways but that chart is the truth.

 

[House of Flies]

Hope to god you are not working in anything related to finance otherwise Belgium is screwed
Very simple in a yes or no

in table 1
- did u receive money for Eto'o? no
- than the 20 Mil is non existing and already you valued Zlatan with 70 so u used Eto'o in column A as payment(part of the 70 Mil value for Zlat) not received money u cannot use him twice
in Table 2
- Did Zlatan cost 50 ? no he cost 50 + 20 Eto'o value
- table is in correct
table 3
that's what you paid and what your accounting department will show

pretty simple , now you know what jobs to avoid

i understand what you are trying to say... but thats accountants' job in order to show more expenses to reduce the taxation from profits.

basically, what gio is trying to say is that eto'o had a value of 20 m and we paid 50 for zlatan so we lost 70 in value. thats what accounts will show because thats the value we lost to attain ibra.

that 20 m comes from the depreciation of eto'o's value (which always tend to be highly debatable as it is always hard to depreciate something whose value will be 0 a year later) however for the same reason in the bracket, for barcelona... his real value would still be 0 from sporting perspective.

soo accountants in order to reduce the amount of profits in order to get a tax cut, will state ibra as 70m out even though in reality, it was 50m out.

 

[Moe]

Hope to god you are not working in anything related to finance otherwise Belgium is screwed
Very simple in a yes or no

in table 1
- did u receive money for Eto'o? no
- than the 20 Mil is non existing and already you valued Zlatan with 70 so u used Eto'o in column A as payment(part of the 70 Mil value for Zlat) not received money u cannot use him twice
in Table 2
- Did Zlatan cost 50 ? no he cost 50 + 20 Eto'o value
- table is in correct
table 3
that's what you paid and what your accounting department will show

pretty simple , now you know what jobs to avoid

Beast we didn't pay 70M, we paid 50M and gave them Eto'o for free. But if you insist that we paid 70M then you have to accept the fact that we received 20M in return for Eto'o (which is wrong but it works according to your method). Gnegs chart is accurate, look at it twice not once

 

[adil_909]

hope madrid sign mourinho in the summer, he'd be the cherry on top of the arrogant cake that is real madrid! the way madrid administrators and the madrid players act every day makes me even more proud to be a cule! but we need to make sure we get the job done vs. valencia and stuttgart or else all this will mean nothing!

 

[Hussain]

Funny stuff here

, some people just play with numbers to say whatever they want , but everybody knows that Perez had the most expensive summer spending , and yet he failed to meet his targets . Joke of the century !

 

[Super Pippo]

Feck, I think all those spends should have ended with a -t, no?

No I think you had it correct, its in the past that it becomes spent, but you were talking about it like a question so it becomes now. I understood it perfectly anyway.

Your money talk reminds me of two rich kids fighting over who has the most street credentials. Both clubs spent an obscene amount, and both spent far more than they should have on certain signings. Not winning the CL + liga is a failure for both, Madrid is out the CL, but then they look better for liga, so you both look a bit silly really.

 

[Moe]

Its a little bit more complicated than what you think. Getting knocked out of the CL might affect their la liga campaign negatively. They didnt want la liga, they wanted the champions league.

 

[Super Pippo]

They wanted both, and I doubt Barca having won 3 last year would of been expecting much less after spending big on the squad that did it.

You can only guess now what effect their will be on Madrid after Lyon. But my feeling is the opposite of yours, I think it will focus them on liga in away that Barca won't be able to keep pace with them. But that is as much a guess as what you are saying so we need to wait and see.

 

[Beast]

Beast we didn't pay 70M, we paid 50M and gave them Eto'o for free. But if you insist that we paid 70M then you have to accept the fact that we received 20M in return for Eto'o (which is wrong but it works according to your method). Gnegs chart is accurate, look at it twice not once

.. u paid 49 + Eto'o for Zlatan right ?

so how come you want to consider Inter paid 20 for Eto'o , if you already give it to them and received NO money in return ?

in the Barca account books they will have Eto'o for a value say the 20 Million

for them (and your auditors ) Zlatan equals the money paid which is 49 + 20(Eto'o)

what Kevin want to play with is that Inter paid money for Eto'o value .. which is not only a failed attempt for humor but intelligently comedy gold


in Inter books

Zlatan received value is 70 (well 69 )Million , in the form of 49 Million + Eto'o (equivalent to 20 Million )

if Kevin comedy gold attempt was true it mean in Inter accounting books they will not only have the above but also payment for Barca in 20 Million .

so the question which ends this failed attempt of Kevin , did you receive a Euro for Eto'o?

You know the answer for that . that's why Kevin first 2 tables are ridiculously incorrect

@ Lemmi finance 101 , anything has a value .. a value in the market , a value in your wealth, assets, if you paid for a house 50 Million plus your car it means your car = money not for free cause you already have it ..

Jesus you lot are really bad in this and the only one who understand it fully due to his job is CA but he is having fun and laughing at all this

 

[Lemmi]

i understand it, but it simply does not apply. it makes the deal look worse for us but doesnt mean we have spent more because we have only transferred 48m+20 worth of assets not 20m in cash. you dont put that through the books like that in terms of money spent.

 

[gvt2000]

In theory, Beast is right, Ibrahimovic's value is the cash payed plus the value of the exchanged goods (in this case etoo). The reality is quite different though. For Eto'o to be worth 20 million cash, a buyer willing to pay 20 millions 6 months before Eto'o was legally allowed to sign for any other club would've been required. Not only that, but said buyer would've needed to meet Etoo's sporting and economical demands, If you know factor in the teams who were interested in Etoo, the selection is narrowed down to one team: inter. The alternative to doing the Ibra deal was letting Etoo run out his contract, leaving nothing in the barcelona bank and no substitute.

The deal worked for both parties cause Barca got some value out of a player that was bordering the free transfer and Inter sold an unhappy player for good value and even got a substitute out of it

 

[Beast]

GVT we can debate forever about the value of Eto'o in the eyes of people , those who consider him worth 1$ or those who consider him worth 30 Mil (City bid ) or those who consider him worth 20 Mil (Barca commentator in the Ibra presentation ) ..etc at the end if everyone is happy so be it it will always be a subject of debate between fans

our debate is you can see here is different , As u see we are debating basic financial concepts here

however saying that Barca received money for him is wrong , or trying to deduct Eto'o value from Ibra transfer is
and assets = money Ry , YOU MUST PUT IT AS MONEY in your books
and u consider the depreciations value as well which in that case we made Eto'o value as low as 20 Mil (or whatever) instead being on par with Ibra or others

 

[Beast]

Anyhow back to Madrid news

Balagay is reporting that Perez refuse the idea of Mourinho and want to make Eddy a happy bunny , but that's expected from balagay who is Rafa's mouth piece (and bitch at night ) .

Kaka went and apologized for Pellegrini , while Valdano acknowledged that the fans didn't ask him to sack Pellegrini in the game or after it .. just some of the Journalists