Real Madrid (old thread)

[Gnegneri]

Orange is orange and apples are apples Meta.. neither played as much as to consider them part of the squad or regular subs even .

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php?5347-Pep-s-carousel

He's right though. Started more games than not in the first 15. But after that it was nothing ... sevilla booing.

 

[BADGERBHOY]

Yep, snubbed by Silva and Vidic, looks like the gloss is coming off Madrid.

 

[Beast]

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php?5347-Pep-s-carousel

He's right though. Started more games than not in the first 15. But after that it was nothing ... sevilla booing.

When he is third from the bottom ahead of Jonathan and Jefferen i can't really say WOW sorry i was wrong ...

 

[Barcafan 2304]

When he is third from the bottom ahead of Jonathan and Jefferen i can't really say WOW sorry i was wrong ...

Lol, the stats dont lie mate

 

[Beast]

Yep and what the does the stats tell u ?
Youth player Jonathan 2 games
youth player Jefferen 8 games
Shagmisskey 10 games
Injured Milito 13 games
off form Rafa 17 games
...etc

out of 21 players he is number 19 in terms of games played .
so yes the stats don't lie

 

[Nándor]

No, Bayern wont offer him 7M a year net, but they will prolly offer him a signing on fee of about 10-15M, the sum RM had to pay Stuttgart for this year. I guess his choice is actually whether he wants to stay for another year in Stuttgart (and missing the CL and prolly some titles for one more season) and then join Bayern, or already head for RM.

The thing is that Bayern will plan with him as keyplayer, as straight replacement for van Bommel, i.e. w/out much risk for him to play and develop into a world class player. At RM he is one of several midfielder who have to earn their spot, although its prolly more exciting to be there ofc ... but he can get screwed over there too. And idk if he has the class already to surely get into the team, while uncertainly for me being on the way getting to that level.

that's exactly what i'm convinced of...bayern offering a player 7m € a near is 95% out of the question. however, khediras agent followed the strategy of using the bayern bonus and offers from clubs like bayern & chelsea in order to get his client a 7m € a year deal at madrid. he claimed, that that's what other clubs are offering with regards to the salary.
like i said, i don't believe that. IMO they both just try to screw the club over. therefore, under this conditions, khedira should IMO piss off to where they offer him 7m € a year.

that's pretty much the same what's on my mind. IMO khedira is nothing special. talented and with potential: of course, but special? world class? i just don't see it. therefore, i don't see him being anything more than another metzelder at madrid, whereas at bayern he would be the replacement for the scum.

I don't know how your mind works.
seriously ..if that's the total of Sami how much is the total for Maicon

well, first, it has nothing to do with the player himself, cause i think he would be a good bench player. i'd say the same thing if it was for david silva, javi martínez etc...none of these players is worth 7m € a year, being on the same wage level as cristiano, kaká, san iker & co.

second, i'm under the impression, that you interpret what i call "total" as money real madrid have to pay to the respective club, as in "transfer fee". nah...total is all the money a player costs his club, typically being his transfer fee (money to the respective club) + the player's salary/wages for the time being at the club, assuming the player doesn't leave before the end of his contract (money to the player himself). so,

- khedira

transfer fee: 10m €
salary/wage: 7m € a year, with a reported 6 year contract, that's 7m * 6 years = 42m €
total of: 10m + 42m = 52m €

- maicon

transfer fee: 30m €
salary/wage: 7m € a year is what his agent demands. how many years of contract? he's 28/29, so i guess 3-4 years max. that's 7m € * 3-4 years = 21-28m €
total of: 30m € + 21-28m € = 51-58m €

see now what i mean?

 

[Beast]

I see what you mean and i can't believe you had the sanity to write that stuff ..

how about you make the number of years to be EQUAL for a change to make a valid , logical comparison ?
3-4 years of Sami to be equal of Maicon 3-4
so Sami value will be 31-38 in comparison to Maicon 51-58
That's 20 Million Euro difference and he is younger as well
i didn't interpret anything wrong , i just see your comparison are biased,one sided with the intention of just justifying Maicon over Sami by dropping all the basic principle of comparison just to make his value = Maicon !!!

 

[AnfieldEd]

But is Khedira worth 7m euros per year?

 

[el tren]

- khedira

transfer fee: 10m €
salary/wage: 7m € a year, with a reported 6 year contract, that's 7m * 6 years = 42m €
total of: 10m + 42m = 52m €

- maicon

transfer fee: 30m €
salary/wage: 7m € a year is what his agent demands. how many years of contract? he's 28/29, so i guess 3-4 years max. that's 7m € * 3-4 years = 21-28m €
total of: 30m € + 21-28m € = 51-58m €

see now what i mean?

Agree on the whole Bayern/Khedira thing. The calculations are debatable b/c they dont take the contract length (or the time that the player is of use to the club, i.e. gives a return) into consideration. For that you would have to alter the calculations as following:

Khedira: 52M for 6 yrs = 52/6 = 8.7M / year

Maicon: 51M for 3 or 58M for 4 yrs --> 17M / year or 14.5M / year


And then you could still add the resell value into consideration in order to evaluate the investment. And that is prolly higher on Khedira than on Maicon.

 

[Beast]

He is not worth that amount of course
but it's gross not net

Agree on the whole Bayern/Khedira thing. The calculations are debatable b/c they dont take the contract length (or the time that the player is of use to the club, i.e. gives a return) into consideration. For that you would have to alter the calculations as following:

Khedira: 52M for 6 yrs = 52/6 = 8.7M / year

Maicon: 51M for 3 or 58M for 4 yrs --> 17M / year or 14.5M / year


And then you could still add the resell value into consideration in order to evaluate the investment. And that is prolly higher on Khedira than on Maicon.

That' another way of putting it , agree fully

 

[antonnn]

So Carvalho wants to go to you lot, but he's too old and injury prone. Would be a silly buy.

Your boys also seem confident of getting Cole. Hopefully we can scam 30m pounds for him.

 

[Aryagorn]

Mourinho said that signing world class 30-32 aged players is an effective way of using limited finances, providing experience, blah blah blah!!

 

[Fourteen]

Hopefully, surely that will only weaken the defence. But if we think this, surely Mourinho will know this - Mind you, his defences in the past haven't particularly been quick, apart from the odd fullback.

 

[Nándor]

I see what you mean and i can't believe you had the sanity to write that stuff ..

how about you make the number of years to be EQUAL for a change to make a valid , logical comparison ?
3-4 years of Sami to be equal of Maicon 3-4
so Sami value will be 31-38 in comparison to Maicon 51-58
That's 20 Million Euro difference and he is younger as well
i didn't interpret anything wrong , i just see your comparison are biased,one sided with the intention of just justifying Maicon over Sami by dropping all the basic principle of comparison just to make his value = Maicon !!!

gio, i'm sorry, but you very much did interpret the basis of this whole discussion totally wrong! i NEVER said, nore intended to compare both players in order to justify one over the other! these 2 players only served as two examples for not being worth all the money the club would have to pay.
this all started with me agreeing to you, posting that maicon would not be worth 7m € a year, that it would fuck the wages and that it would be better to look elsewhere. i agreed and went further by saying, that khedira would not be worth 7m € a year either. i then listed the costs of both players and speciffically said "better look elsewhere in BOTH CASES".

this is what you said and what i quoted:

No Benzema wage is 5 million gross , i remember it cause it was mentioned so many times during Higuain negotiation (he wanted the same salary ) .
giving Maicon 7 Mil net is putting him in the same bracket as Kaka & CR and probably Iker .

He is not worth that much ..
it will fuck the wages

and this is what i answered, refering to your posts:

i agree...but neither is khedira who is asking for 7m € as well. both would fuck up the wages and both are not worth that much. the club will never get even half of that back in revenues. 6 years for khedira = 42m € + 10m € transfer fee = a total of 52m € give or take...how much of a bargain is he really in the end?!


same for maicon...would have been 30m € transfer fee + say 3-4 years = 21/28m € = a total of 51/58m € give or take.

better looks elsewhere, in both cases. carvalho is said to be first in line as maicon replacement. he has the experience mourinho wants and is rated at 6m € by chelsea.

it NEVER was about comparing, much less in order to justify one over the other. it was all about listing both players costs, thus coming to the conclusion, that both players are not worth that much money, which is why it's better the clubs looks elsewhere.

but if you don't believe me or think that i'm not quoting honestly, check for yourself...go back to page 874, post # 13107. this is where it all started.

 

[Super Pippo]

Are Madrid going to go back in for Chiellini now that the other targets turned them down? Or is it a case that Mourinho is now there - who having seen him more, realises he isn't all that?