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Beast
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U mean like the remaining 10 cantera who are training with the first team now ?
or like the recent youth sold by Barca ?
just because they are sold doesn't mean they were on the level required for Real and we just didn't want them . it's not an obsession just to play the youth if they are not on the level required.
personally i thought Alonso can break into the first team but the kid might have other ideas like regular first team football which he will get in Bolton more than Real
Mourinho already planning on 23 first team + 2 Cantera it's a question of who will get the call eventually , Sarabia is the main name mentioned especially after the club renewed his contract a week ago
or like the recent youth sold by Barca ?
just because they are sold doesn't mean they were on the level required for Real and we just didn't want them . it's not an obsession just to play the youth if they are not on the level required.
personally i thought Alonso can break into the first team but the kid might have other ideas like regular first team football which he will get in Bolton more than Real
Mourinho already planning on 23 first team + 2 Cantera it's a question of who will get the call eventually , Sarabia is the main name mentioned especially after the club renewed his contract a week ago
gvt2000
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Doesn't real need to meet the homegrown Uefa quota? honest question
The difference between this and Barcelona's transfers is simple: Real's selling their top canteranos (Marcos out, Rodrigo's next) and trying to include them as trading chips while Barcelona doesn't even negotiate for their pearls (Thiago, Dos Santos and Fontas). The difference is that, while barcelona gives a genuine shot at 1-2 canteranos a year and has players promoted on a regular basis, real hasn't had a single direct promotion in years. When was the last time a Real canterano went directly to the first team without playing for another team first (see getafe)
Do you honestly think your canteranos are going to get any playtime ? Do you honestly agree with Real's cantera philosophy?
Beast
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First , it all depend on the current success of the youth team , while our 18 < teams won every single competition available the Castilla lads 22-18 failed miserably .
it's more about generation , the Granero's , Soldado's , De La red's came from a generation that prove their worth and reached Segunda and got minutes , the current Castilla is a big let down . why not go far check the current under 19 team and see how many from Madrid .. 2?3 ? compare them to Barca contribution ? as i said it's all about the current generation .
so when you compare them to JDS and co generation who managed a promotion you have your answer why X or Y will be kept and Marcos and co are sold .
The Getafe option for us is similar to castilla , while it's impossible to check on their actual level in third division , Getafe offer those who we think can develop a chance to measure them along their peers , that's why you have success stories like De La Red and Granero who came back to the team when they proved they can handle the job.
you will never see Madridista complain about Getafe for the above reason they are like Castilla for us , Madridistas second team .
regarding your last two questions ..
yes i believe if those chosen have the chance they should grab it and i believe in a long season they can snatch a chance gradually same what happened to Granero last year just hope they offer more consistency than Esteban .
regarding the policy my answer is yes and no , yes i agree that quality should prevail disregarding the player background , no i'm pissed at the selection of the youth that's where we are going wrong .
some players show a lot of promise and fade away when they are playing on senior level not all the players are Granero , De La red and Soldado .. do u remember a kid called David Moreno ? he was praised from cule's as well as a kid similar to Messi doing wonders in our youth C team .. he is in Almeria doing shit all after a big promise.. same for Nieto , Bueno .. all fringe players in first division . they were not picked correctly and something along the way of their development we have a gap
it's difficult to judge a youth player on that level .. the leap from third to division to first division is big and not everyone can make it .
however Jose assistant Aitor Karanka has supported Sarabia big time and i believe he could be a wild card if one of the wing starters is down for a while
regarding the home grown UEFA rule yes we have more than enough to qualify for it .
Iker,Arbeloa,Xabi,Ramos,Canales,Leon,Albiol ,Adan,Granero
antimadritista
A masterpiece of DNA
Guti's presentation started. He looks so strange in Besiktas kit...
Metaphysical
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marcos alonso... to bolton! 
his comments: "At Real Madrid it is very hard to jump into the first-team, so the best way to reach the top was to come to another team."
josé doesn't give the youth a chance if they can't meet his standards, he has no patience whatsoever. he's brought through precisely two "kids" in all his time as manager and they were santon and balotelli who were both awesome talents. he's not a nurturer of youth, no sir.
anyway reial's cantera policy is fucking abysmal in a footballing perspective, from a financial one however it is very good as it regularly makes them around 5-10m a season in player-sales, and thanks to their buyback clauses if they really do make a mistake they can correct it. it's a solid system.
there's no point criticising reial for their treatment of canteranos, though, as that's just how they are. you don't cuss the wind for blowing, do you?
his comments: "At Real Madrid it is very hard to jump into the first-team, so the best way to reach the top was to come to another team."
josé doesn't give the youth a chance if they can't meet his standards, he has no patience whatsoever. he's brought through precisely two "kids" in all his time as manager and they were santon and balotelli who were both awesome talents. he's not a nurturer of youth, no sir.
anyway reial's cantera policy is fucking abysmal in a footballing perspective, from a financial one however it is very good as it regularly makes them around 5-10m a season in player-sales, and thanks to their buyback clauses if they really do make a mistake they can correct it. it's a solid system.
there's no point criticising reial for their treatment of canteranos, though, as that's just how they are. you don't cuss the wind for blowing, do you?
Nándor
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regadring marcos alonso...i'm not saying more than this: fucking coincidence i guess, that i was just listening to the soundtrack of "the expendables" in the very same moment that i caught up on the headline of this move!!!
sarabia looks like a safe bet. now that marcos alonso is gone and assuming that adán will not be counted as 1 of those 2, álex fernandez could be the second. can't see any other canterano. from my understanding, the third striker will not be permanent, but more occasional.
add adán to them and you got the 4 canteranos requested/needed.
sarabia looks like a safe bet. now that marcos alonso is gone and assuming that adán will not be counted as 1 of those 2, álex fernandez could be the second. can't see any other canterano. from my understanding, the third striker will not be permanent, but more occasional.
add adán to them and you got the 4 canteranos requested/needed.
El Gato
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It isn't a coincidence that 90% canteranos come out to be rubbish where as likes of De La Red, Granero, Negredo barely manage to get their reputation going. Also it isn't a coincidence that 75% of Barca's youth players are promising and the club has big plans towards them. It think it's coaching staff's fault cuz otherwise there would be more canteranos making it out to teams such as Getafe or even onto British Isles. Don't blame introducing them to the first team, because the club is obsessed about being better than Barcelona at the moment so they can't afford to trust the youngsters to get the job done.
Barcafan 2304
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Yes, thats about the size of it mate
Beast
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4 they are here
Both clubs are obsessed with each other.. since the day they were formed it will continue this way .
Promising is something and fitting the system is something else . some of Barca youth can really be average but because the system is the same it's easier to break into the first team cause from the age of 12 till the first team they all play 4-3-3
De La Red, Negredo and Soldado all got their career going and even made it in the Spanish national team , the coaching selection for the youth system in the last level before the first team is bad with the exception of Miguel angel Portugal and lopez Caro (kinda ) the choice under Calderon was more a popular choice than the correct one .
hiring Michel who failed @ Rayo was a big big mistake he destroyed the team and put his son ahead of better players like Mata .
there is no problem with the 18 > teams at all they are all good it's when they reach Castilla the problem occur .
the risk free policy was a child of Calderon tbh , before that even during Perez first era there was indeed so many Cantera breaking into the first team ..marcos alonso... to bolton!
his comments: "At Real Madrid it is very hard to jump into the first-team, so the best way to reach the top was to come to another team."
josé doesn't give the youth a chance if they can't meet his standards, he has no patience whatsoever. he's brought through precisely two "kids" in all his time as manager and they were santon and balotelli who were both awesome talents. he's not a nurturer of youth, no sir.
anyway reial's cantera policy is fucking abysmal in a footballing perspective, from a financial one however it is very good as it regularly makes them around 5-10m a season in player-sales, and thanks to their buyback clauses if they really do make a mistake they can correct it. it's a solid system.
there's no point criticising reial for their treatment of canteranos, though, as that's just how they are. you don't cuss the wind for blowing, do you?
Mejia,Pavon,Raul Bravo,Portillo , Borja ,Diego Lopez..etc granted some of those names broke into the first team first under Del Bosque
sadly the generation wasn't that good at all (plus some eternal dressing room politics ) and it did happen that the first promising young lad of the following generation was Soldado but where to play him with the club having Raul,Ronaldo,Robinho ,Cassano and even Baptista (plus the dressing room thing ) ?
it's a recent thing under Calderon though it's a win -win situation.. a kid prove himself and the club need him they buy him back , prove himself and the club don't need him buy him back and sell him .
deep down Perez wanted to fix this that's why his first choice was Wenger .. Jose i don't know , it's all about now for him which is logical thinking considering this is Real Madrid we are talking about (which is part of the problem ) maybe if the club win the Decima things will cool down a bit and that rush for " now " will cool down the same way the 7th did
Metaphysical
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I remember zidanes y pavones.
the pavones part was one of perez's few good points.
but yeah that was a pretty terrible generation of players. boy howdy mejia was bad.
and see, I don't think wenger would fix reial's problems. as you say the reial youth teams are all fine, it's the transition to senior football they can't handle. and wenger's "throw them all in!" solution isn't exactly a good one, IMO. maybe the wenger of 2004 would have been brilliant (that's when perez started courting him, no?) but now he is too much of an idealist to be of any use to anyone. really what perez needs to help transition reial's canteranos from youth to senior level is ferguson, guardiola, van gaal or rijkaard. sadly for him one of them is 182762783 years old, the other is mr. barca, and the other two are culés.
or perhaps do as we did with pep, appoint someone with promise coach of castilla, let him get to know the best of the cantera, and then promote him to the senior position where he can bring them through.
Beast
The Observer
Yeah you have a point about the current "wenger " i would even say delusional not idealist
I think maybe in 2 years (and i believe by that time Jose will be wanting to go ) Raul would follow his buddy in Barcelona footsteps . he is definitely has the brains for it although i feel Salgado could make a better manager
the reason i think about Raul is that he is a control freak with a strong character and was coached by so many managers
I think maybe in 2 years (and i believe by that time Jose will be wanting to go ) Raul would follow his buddy in Barcelona footsteps . he is definitely has the brains for it although i feel Salgado could make a better manager
the reason i think about Raul is that he is a control freak with a strong character and was coached by so many managers
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