Real Madrid (old thread)

[Beast]

wait what?

He said if you played bad he will not support Barca..

go figure .

 

[barcetia]

If there's anything I hate more than a Madridista/Hijo da puta(periko), it's a glory hunter.

 

[silky_soccer]

Lol @ Maicon making more Difference than Mourinho...

 

[Beast]

AS report that Drenthe could be loaned to Racing for a season while one of Lass-Momo-Gago could leave with Lass getting the best offer

 

[AnfieldEd]

Carvalho is an excellent signing. He is still a classy defender and will give added experience to the back line.

I don't think he will have much trouble in la liga. He was brought up in Porto and played the portugese league, which is of similar culture to la liga so I don't forsee any problems there.

Plus in europe he will be awesome for Madrid.

Chelsea fans will soon realise who was the better centre back now that Terry hasn't got carvalho covering his ass.

 

[dalitis8]

My points of friction with some in this forum.

1.Mourinho is not what the media make him out to be...he is good,but he is not The Special One

2.Ibra is wholly unsuited to Barca,and this cannot be remedied...

3.Busquets is not good enough to be a Barca starter(I admit that I was a bit harsh on this boy,but I still stand by my initial position.

4.As for glory hunter accusations...well why people on this forum choose to support Barca,Madrid,Arsenal,Chelsea,Man Yoo,Inter and AC Milan? Why don't they support Extremadura,Eibar,Norwich,Plymouth,Verona or Odense??? Is this hypocrisy?

5.I never said that I wouldn't support Barca if they played bad...if Barca played bad over a long period of time nobody would be supporting them except maybe people from their immediate vicinity. What I said was that I preferred the Barca style as opposed to the Mourinho or Chelsea or kick and rush brand of football...if Barca were not what they are....I wouldn't support them...that's what I said.

6.Let me remind again the feeble minds that mock me...that "time is the wisest"...

 

[AnfieldEd]

Supporting a football club isn't about you being entertained by their way of play.

Choosing to support a club means you agree with their values, understand and cherish their history and tradition of the club and the actual place and sticking by them through the good times and the bad times.

You don't support Barcelona, you only support their concept. Therefore your views on football are null and void to me.

 

[10Rivaldo]

Well what do you expect, he doesn't even support his own national team just because they're boring.

 

[dalitis8]

Supporting a football club isn't about you being entertained by their way of play.

Choosing to support a club means you agree with their values, understand and cherish their history and tradition of the club and the actual place and sticking by them through the good times and the bad times.

You don't support Barcelona, you only support their concept. Therefore your views on football are null and void to me.

What are the values and traditions of Livepool? Can you name them? And how does the reason why I support Barcelona affect the intrinsic value of my views,this is a miserable logical fallacy...

Well what do you expect, he doesn't even support his own national team just because they're boring.

You know probably better than I do how disgusting the Greek NS really are...I can even imagine you cursing them when they were winning...couple that with a ferociously jingoistic press that makes the English tabloids look like Aristotle or Spinoza...and you will soon realise my point of view...

 

[Nándor]

nandor, why did you just pick capdevila out from? nowehere. the starting line up you guys post in here changes each time because you throw in whatever player you like that paticular moment.

logical thinking combined with this seasons low spending, the departure of drenthe (as good as certain), the LB spot being topic discussion ever since r. carlos left, the only 2 players with expirience being casillas & carvalho etc...

the starting XI changes each time cause there is no saying what's it gonna be in the end. in the beginning it looked like benzema will start. now higuain apperently has convinced mourinho with his performances. same for canales. a few weeks ago it was NO QUESTION AT ALL wether or not there will be a third striker. now, that apperently has changed too, hasn't it. in the beginning mourinho wanted 2 defenders, one RB (maicon) and one LB (kolarov). that changed from maicon and a CB, to david luiz as CB & LB, to finally no maicon and carvalho.

back to the LB...do you take mourinho as a coach who enters a season with 1 RB starter (ramos), 1 LB starter - who's not all that when it comes to defending - (marcelo) and 1 sub for both RB & LB (arbeloa)? the club let marcos alonso go, as well as drenthe (as good as done) and dropped interest in sergio escudero (now schalke 04) and some other young LBs...unexperienced players apperently don't do the trick, so what's the next best thing? some carvalho type in the region of 5-7m € that'll do the trick for like 2 seasons and adds some much needed experience in the defense: 2 "oldies", 2 "youngtimer" and casillas behind =>much more balanced and much more suitable for achieving the goals in the CL. which this year means, finally pass the f...ing round of 16.

 

[Beast]

Nandor Hammy has a point.. u always pick the strangest of names and fixate on them .
forget Capedvilla .. he has nothing on Arbeloa tbh .. might as well put our boy on the left .
plus if you have a solid unit u can afford Marcelo playing as an attacking full back ..he will learn his trade as a defender , Jose can improve this factor Marcelo is a work horse and i'd love to have him around

 

[Nándor]

gio, remember how mourinho told he loves to have experienced players in his teams that can give you 1 or 2 good seasons? so far, there is only carvalho.

one question...do you take mourinho as the kind of coach to enter the season with only 3 wing backs for 2 spots? after he just declared 2 strikers for 10 months is kinda short?

baring the 8m € for carvalho in mind, there is still 22m € left/safed from the maicon failure. plus some peanuts for drenthe (maybe, if he's loaned out, things look diffrent) and m. diarra. if in the end lass will leave due to getting the highest offers, it's another 20m €.
i don't believe in llorente joining for 25m €. no way. my guess, out of all the names that have been meantioned is almeida. i don't like it, but it's the cheapest, he's portugese, he's the most likely one to accept being benched as 3rd choice and he shares the same agent as carvalho & mourinho if i'm not mistaken.

this summer seems to be all about cheap signings for madrid. there you go:

carvalho, almeida & capdevila for less than 30m € and you can keep lass. it's not that i like it, but it seems to fit the current pattern.

 

[Beast]

1- take into consideration our resources are dire this summer due to last year spending.
2- Capdevilla really have nothing on Arbeloa in anything so it's not an upgrade rather similar player .
3- Mourinho words about the striker is to settle Benzema mind who saw Higuain once again steal the headlines
4- full backs tend to decline over 30 due to the amount of effort and running every game compared to CB's , it's down hill from there for Capdevilla unless of course you have a freak of nature like Carlos , Cafu , Alves or even Maicon ..
5- if there is a big need for a LB i can mention couple of LB in Ligue 1 like Bastos who is made available by Lyon or his team mate Cissokho or others like Benfica Coentrao ..etc

yes we need a LB but someone who offer something different , Capdevilla was one of the weakest links in Spain in the WC .. he is still playing due to the only alternative as a natural LB is a young boy with little experience (Monreal )

 

[AnfieldEd]

I thought Capdevila was rather solid at the world cup. True I did think he would be the weakest link, but he really wasn't.

But I agree with your point in as such he would be a pointless buy as you have Arbeloa who can do a good job there, plus like you said next season you can target Bastos (eerily reminds me of Carlos) or Cissokho. Who I rate a lot.

 

[Nándor]

1- take into consideration our resources are dire this summer due to last year spending.
2- Capdevilla really have nothing on Arbeloa in anything so it's not an upgrade rather similar player .
3- Mourinho words about the striker is to settle Benzema mind who saw Higuain once again steal the headlines
4- full backs tend to decline over 30 due to the amount of effort and running every game compared to CB's , it's down hill from there for Capdevilla unless of course you have a freak of nature like Carlos , Cafu , Alves or even Maicon ..
5- if there is a big need for a LB i can mention couple of LB in Ligue 1 like Bastos who is made available by Lyon or his team mate Cissokho or others like Benfica Coentrao ..etc

yes we need a LB but someone who offer something different , Capdevilla was one of the weakest links in Spain in the WC .. he is still playing due to the only alternative as a natural LB is a young boy with little experience (Monreal )

1) like i said, there is the 30m € that were put aside for maicon - minus 8m € for carvalho. more than enough for cheap options like almeida & capdevila (32 and contract ends 2011 => some 5 or 6m €)
2) agreed, but it's not about having one over arbeloa or not. it's about 2 players per spot, which is what mourinho asked for.
3) it's not only about setteling benz' mind. he also clearly said 2 strikers is not enough for 10 months.
4) + your last sentense: i agree completely...don't think i want capdevila! i never understood why he starts and keeps starting for spain (EC 08 & WC 10). he always strikes me as "that player doesn't belong in a squad as talented as the current furia roja". his age however would see him as perfect short term solution while youngsters like monreal or maybe even marcos alonso gained 2 seasons experience. together mou & cap might even manage to teach marcelo how to defend?
5) these players IMO don't fit this seasons sceme of cheap signings. i would opt for them as well if it wasn't for the low budget, low spending issue.

again, it's not what i want...my choice would be monreal, since he has future unlike capdevila, a. cole, evra and most of the other LBs that have been linked this summer.
this is more like analizing situations, behavior, market and some sort of betting/guessing. it gets my mind off, which i need this summer.

my current guess is, with all the maicon failure: 1 striker & 1 LB...being llorente/almeida and capdevila.