Real Madrid (old thread)

[Beast]

I don't see Capello leaving England , the English are too stable to rock the boat and i believe England will go far under Capello he will be a hero and will stay to Euro 2012

Rafa is bad , Perez prefer him cause he know the club inside out in Perez opinion the club need that someone who know us well and from our own , Michel is one of the names but he has far less experience than Rafa .
leadership could be an issue as at many times Rafa lost his cool in press conference and was played by SAF coaching Real under Marca and AS isn't any easier and Rafa is preferred due to his Madrid blood and alliance by the fans (if u believe Marca )

on the other hand Mourinho could play better football at times but he will do what Laporta did for Barcelona , piss off so many clubs and fans we will be public enemy number 1 instead of the club with most fans in Spain , for Spanish this is an important factor even Barca did punish Eto'o for his Madrid Cabron comments , there is a minimum amount of public common decency required in Spain u can hate all you like but u must always act in public as a gentleman , even the Catalan press praised Perez for his hospitality for the Barca delegation before & after the match and that's a big factor against Mourinho if he pull out the stuff he made in England and Italy , Perez is a gentleman and he will take this into consideration that Jose can break all the good relations he has with other clubs

rest are all the same Felipao isn't a bad option considering he coached both kaka & CR but his failure in Chelsea is against him , Carlo will stay if he win the EPL (and i don't really want him )

 

[utility73]

One señor from Madrid which was born in Austria posted the following in an Austrian newspaper online forum as a comment to some article about Pelligrini after El Clásico.

"Was für mich als Real Socio besonders bedauerlich ist,
ist die Tatsache, dass ein dahergelaufener Niemand, denn Eduardo Inda, der Director von Marca ist nichts anderes, sich zumutet mit seinem Scheissblatt Stimmung gegen Pellegrini zu machen und einen erneuten Herauswurf eines Trainers ins Rollen zu bringen. Auch wenn man dieses Jahr mit grösster Wahrscheinlichkeit ohne Titelgewinn abschliessen wird, sollte man einem Trainer doch zumindest eine 2. Chance geben, denn eine Mannschaft, die von 93 möglichen Punkten 77 erreicht hat, kann nicht so schlecht sein. Real Madrid sollte aber vor allem aufhören, sich an Barça zu messen, denn das ist zur Zeit sinnlos. Die haben die beste Mannschaft in ihrer 110 jährigen Geschichte und da kann man nur neidlos applaudieren."

My try of a meaningful translation:
"What is especially sad for me being a Real socio is the fact that some absolute nobody, Eduardo Inda Director of Marca being such, is agitating with his crap paper (Marca that is) against Pellegrini and trying to get him ousted. Even though Real will most likely end this season without any titles again, they should give the coach at least a second chance. After all a team which got 77 out of 93 possible points cannot be that bad. But above all Real Madrid should cease to try to compete with Barça because it is absolutely pointless at this moment. They (Barça) are having the best team in their history and one can only ungrudgingly applaud them."

Considering the last two sentences: Mind you this man is usually not thrifty with his criticism on everything Barça

 

[Beast]

It is true that Marca from day one had it in their agenda to oust Pellegrini and tried on so many occasions and failed.
but numbers don't always tell the whole story , Real & Barca are miles ahead of everyone else , the league table reflects this
so gathering a record number of points in a league that is very weak except for the front two doesn't really deserve a merit .

you have to take into consideration that Juande Ramos did the exact same thing last year with a much weaker squad until the Classico .

It's the games that we lost that mattered , the Alco in the copa del gay u cannot lose 4-0 u simply can't not even with your stars resting , they had Ruud,Raul ..etc and failed . it's funny that our Castilla (who play in the same division as Alco ) has actually beaten Alco this season.i

than comes the CL group game vs Milan home & away .. how can you go from 2-0 win to 3-2 defeat ? we have helped Milan gain confidence in their league games after that game , 1-1 away game , 1-0 defeat to Barca (best big game under Pellegrini
) than not able to overturn the game vs Lyon when you are 1-0 up we just needed a goal .
same for the return game of the Clasico

yes we all know Barca is on a league of their own it's not the game that decided his fate but the continuity of delivering when it mattered the most , i said couple of pages ago u can easily excuse the defeat vs Barca but you cannot excuse the rest

 

[Nándor]

I don't see Capello leaving England , the English are too stable to rock the boat and i believe England will go far under Capello he will be a hero and will stay to Euro 2012

Rafa is bad , Perez prefer him cause he know the club inside out in Perez opinion the club need that someone who know us well and from our own , Michel is one of the names but he has far less experience than Rafa .
leadership could be an issue as at many times Rafa lost his cool in press conference and was played by SAF coaching Real under Marca and AS isn't any easier and Rafa is preferred due to his Madrid blood and alliance by the fans (if u believe Marca )

on the other hand Mourinho could play better football at times but he will do what Laporta did for Barcelona , piss off so many clubs and fans we will be public enemy number 1 instead of the club with most fans in Spain , for Spanish this is an important factor even Barca did punish Eto'o for his Madrid Cabron comments , there is a minimum amount of public common decency required in Spain u can hate all you like but u must always act in public as a gentleman , even the Catalan press praised Perez for his hospitality for the Barca delegation before & after the match and that's a big factor against Mourinho if he pull out the stuff he made in England and Italy , Perez is a gentleman and he will take this into consideration that Jose can break all the good relations he has with other clubs

rest are all the same Felipao isn't a bad option considering he coached both kaka & CR but his failure in Chelsea is against him , Carlo will stay if he win the EPL (and i don't really want him )

it's thoughts like these, in addition to what i've meantioned the last pages, why i come to the conclusion, that keeping pellegrini is the best option.

it's not that much of a "yes for pellegrini" as much as it is a "no for the alternatives" - with the exapetion of capello. but yeah, i don't see him quit the england job either.

one thing that definitly is in favor of pellegrini is, that he would be able to continue on the good work he's done till now and improve further with regards to the squad department as well as with regards to his own persona - lack of leadership in games being the most important.

One señor from Madrid which was born in Austria posted the following in an Austrian newspaper online forum as a comment to some article about Pelligrini after El Clásico.

"Was für mich als Real Socio besonders bedauerlich ist,
ist die Tatsache, dass ein dahergelaufener Niemand, denn Eduardo Inda, der Director von Marca ist nichts anderes, sich zumutet mit seinem Scheissblatt Stimmung gegen Pellegrini zu machen und einen erneuten Herauswurf eines Trainers ins Rollen zu bringen. Auch wenn man dieses Jahr mit grösster Wahrscheinlichkeit ohne Titelgewinn abschliessen wird, sollte man einem Trainer doch zumindest eine 2. Chance geben, denn eine Mannschaft, die von 93 möglichen Punkten 77 erreicht hat, kann nicht so schlecht sein. Real Madrid sollte aber vor allem aufhören, sich an Barça zu messen, denn das ist zur Zeit sinnlos. Die haben die beste Mannschaft in ihrer 110 jährigen Geschichte und da kann man nur neidlos applaudieren."

My try of a meaningful translation:
"What is especially sad for me being a Real socio is the fact that some absolute nobody, Eduardo Inda Director of Marca being such, is agitating with his crap paper (Marca that is) against Pellegrini and trying to get him ousted. Even though Real will most likely end this season without any titles again, they should give the coach at least a second chance. After all a team which got 77 out of 93 possible points cannot be that bad. But above all Real Madrid should cease to try to compete with Barça because it is absolutely pointless at this moment. They (Barça) are having the best team in their history and one can only ungrudgingly applaud them."

Considering the last two sentences: Mind you this man is usually not thrifty with his criticism on everything Barça

MARCA certainly has lost a lot of credibility this season and this socio is not the only one who blames sr. inda and his witchhunt for that.

 

[Ryan_Cule]

One señor from Madrid which was born in Austria posted the following in an Austrian newspaper online forum as a comment to some article about Pelligrini after El Clásico.

"Was für mich als Real Socio besonders bedauerlich ist,
ist die Tatsache, dass ein dahergelaufener Niemand, denn Eduardo Inda, der Director von Marca ist nichts anderes, sich zumutet mit seinem Scheissblatt Stimmung gegen Pellegrini zu machen und einen erneuten Herauswurf eines Trainers ins Rollen zu bringen. Auch wenn man dieses Jahr mit grösster Wahrscheinlichkeit ohne Titelgewinn abschliessen wird, sollte man einem Trainer doch zumindest eine 2. Chance geben, denn eine Mannschaft, die von 93 möglichen Punkten 77 erreicht hat, kann nicht so schlecht sein. Real Madrid sollte aber vor allem aufhören, sich an Barça zu messen, denn das ist zur Zeit sinnlos. Die haben die beste Mannschaft in ihrer 110 jährigen Geschichte und da kann man nur neidlos applaudieren."

My try of a meaningful translation:
"What is especially sad for me being a Real socio is the fact that some absolute nobody, Eduardo Inda Director of Marca being such, is agitating with his crap paper (Marca that is) against Pellegrini and trying to get him ousted. Even though Real will most likely end this season without any titles again, they should give the coach at least a second chance. After all a team which got 77 out of 93 possible points cannot be that bad. But above all Real Madrid should cease to try to compete with Barça because it is absolutely pointless at this moment. They (Barça) are having the best team in their history and one can only ungrudgingly applaud them."

Considering the last two sentences: Mind you this man is usually not thrifty with his criticism on everything Barça

77 out of 93 ? Is that what & should be considered as a great achievement ? I mean in Liga in this season , every other team except top two had not been upto the mark really ! This is a bad year for Liga when many Clubs are facing injury , club /coach crisis .

I still say , Madrid needs a real coach , a tough one who can motivate . Yes , I agree , patience is needed , Madrid lacks Patience & persistence ! But the scenario is totally different . Madrid must keep the patience on players & not on this bullshit coach . RM has players who just joined the Club from English Premier League , Italian League , Argentine League . They need time & with all the massive failures that RM is suffering for a time now , it makes these players feel more down . on`t get me wrong , I am not saying Manuel doesn`t deserve a penny , yes he certainly deserves for keeping it up and running the squad with so much deficiencies .

RM as a club needs to change their whole lot of things . It depends on mentality . Madrid based press must be notified to get away from creating all the bull-shit news & theories . The rhetorics , glorified comments from different sections of Club should be minimized as much as it could be done . The total overlook of the Club , Officials , players & supporters should change . They should start thinking of everything as a new chapter with a new perspective and look to it . A new way so to say . And a last a coach who is tough enough , who can motivate & get the best out of players and also inspire not only the players , also the officials & supporters especially .


I don`t know who can do it or even anyone thinks of considering these as important issues ,all I know is , Europe`s once upon a time most successful club(< Not really ) has hit the lowest and there can`t be no going back from here .

It is upto them !

 

[Ryan_Cule]

So you stick by your memories even when your club is pure scum?
Again with the support for you club in bad times. Thats pathetic for people hanging on to without having a life of their own. I like FCB because they deserve to be watched. I'm not gonna look at segunda liga or Madrid. Your team has reached pathetic lows and u still claim it has talent. Perhaps you are happy with less.
FCB = magic. Your team hasnt one big game decider (CR but .... haha) . Your team has "ugly players".
Your team steal ones thunder by buying every other star (and upsetting other clubs) and claiming they will win everything. Yet the whole world is laughing at them right now.

The way you support/stick to that club means you are getting pathetic, you have no spine at all.

I don't care if FCB would loose. At least they play the beautifull game and combined with their skills/talent (which is no luck lukcy to have Pep? Who made him? That claim was absurd) by that they wont loose much.

upset..maturity? Tell that to the Madridistas sticking their fingers out "EN MASSE" at each Barca goal.

hello Titi ,

I don`t think it was ever the players . But I agree with Beast here . When we start supporting a Club , we don`t become a fan almost on that , it takes time . We start supporting a Club for few reasons , either there are World`s best players playing on that team , either the Club is winning everything & we start supporting it in a good time like it`s happening with many new BARCA fanatics now , nothing`s wrong in it , that`s how the system works, the wrong it would be if when the Club starts playing bad and the fans start switching for another Club , that`s a disgrace .

We become fans because we loved some players , coach , the way we play , if we are winning everything and when the days pass by , We start knowing the Club more , the History , people , Culture and what not and we feel more attached and we become real fans when we give our life support to the CLub when it goes through the bad times but we never switch , we held our head high to give support to our Club , players and to everything it needs .


I see the same what Beast is doing , if I was at his place , I would have done the same , I have been a fan since 1992 , I didn`t understand a shit about football , but I did love some players , but started growing up , i got to know my Club more , today I can say , I may love my players with whole of heart , but I even don`t care about those same players because my CLub FC BARCELONA comes first and nothing else . That`s the maturity of Nature and us . We grow , we came to know & We become One ! But my approach can be different with yours . There is nothing wrong in it .

For the tackling part , We have Sergi & Dan alves , not much of appreciation from my part for them as far as BARCA`s culture if you are concerned about .

That was from a football fanatic`s point of view . But as a BARCA fanatic & if you want me to be rational enough , Madrid is a disgrace for many reasons to me , be it Historical or my personal feelings ! There is no doubt about it . hijos de puta el Madrid !

 

[Beast]

77 out of 93 ? Is that what & should be considered as a great achievement ? I mean in Liga in this season , every other team except top two had not been upto the mark really ! This is a bad year for Liga when many Clubs are facing injury , club /coach crisis .

I still say , Madrid needs a real coach , a tough one who can motivate . Yes , I agree , patience is needed , Madrid lacks Patience & persistence ! But the scenario is totally different . Madrid must keep the patience on players & not on this bullshit coach . RM has players who just joined the Club from English Premier League , Italian League , Argentine League . They need time & with all the massive failures that RM is suffering for a time now , it makes these players feel more down . on`t get me wrong , I am not saying Manuel doesn`t deserve a penny , yes he certainly deserves for keeping it up and running the squad with so much deficiencies .

RM as a club needs to change their whole lot of things . It depends on mentality . Madrid based press must be notified to get away from creating all the bull-shit news & theories . The rhetorics , glorified comments from different sections of Club should be minimized as much as it could be done . The total overlook of the Club , Officials , players & supporters should change . They should start thinking of everything as a new chapter with a new perspective and look to it . A new way so to say . And a last a coach who is tough enough , who can motivate & get the best out of players and also inspire not only the players , also the officials & supporters especially .


I don`t know who can do it or even anyone thinks of considering these as important issues ,all I know is , Europe`s once upon a time most successful club(< Not really ) has hit the lowest and there can`t be no going back from here .

It is upto them !

They will offer stability this time around but they need to settle on the coach first

someone who show improvements and is a strong character considering the lack of leadership

and Ryan don't bother with Titi , save your effort his ideas of being a football fan is not what everyone agrees on

 

[AnfieldEd]

Whatever manager wins the world cup, will be your next manager so the whore perez can squeeze his marketing cash cow out of that!

 

[Beast]

Nah

 

[yusuf]

Whatever manager wins the world cup, will be your next manager so the whore perez can squeeze his marketing cash cow out of that!

lol

 

[IrvDizzle]

Gio, you brought up a great point that I didn't consider in espousing Mourinho. 'The Special One' will make your team public enemy #1 and revel in that. Part of his managerial technique to get his players in to the mentality that it's 'us against the world' and it totally slipped my mind that Real is all about maximizing its fan base, not getting 'a certain type of fans' or alienating their already rabid fan base. That's a great point.

hmmmm ... as I was reading all of the comments post Clasico it seems that the best possible manager for this team is Capello. He's well respected, doesn't bring out feelings of abject hatred from rational fans of other teams (or neutrals), is tactically brilliant (more so than Mourinho), and is just the kind of manager that would make egos like Cristiano shut up and pay attention. But will he leave England? if he wins the world cup with them (*shudder*) he'll be a god in England. I wonder if his ego will allow him to go back to RMadrid, and if Perez's ego will allow him to offer Capello the job. I still believe that the reason Perez want's Rafa and not Mourinho is that Mourinho will steal the spotlight from Perez. Although I pray that Perez gets his way and signs Rafa, even it means that he'll leave Liverpool and they'll get better. I don't believe Manuel can stay at RMadrid. He's just not the commanding presence that Sir Alex or Ancelotti are (to name the managers that Crisitiano and Kaka have both had, respectively) and I don't believe that many of the superstars respect Manuel as they would someone who has won consistently at the highest levels for the biggest clubs.

anyhoo ... this offseason will be even better than the last in Madrid. I hope Manuel finds another position somewhere that will allow him to recover and shine. I liked him before he went to RMadrid.

 

[yusuf]

go back to villareal manu, love the yellow submarine and wish the can make a comeback

 

[Beast]

Gio, you brought up a great point that I didn't consider in espousing Mourinho. 'The Special One' will make your team public enemy #1 and revel in that. Part of his managerial technique to get his players in to the mentality that it's 'us against the world' and it totally slipped my mind that Real is all about maximizing its fan base, not getting 'a certain type of fans' or alienating their already rabid fan base. That's a great point.

hmmmm ... as I was reading all of the comments post Clasico it seems that the best possible manager for this team is Capello. He's well respected, doesn't bring out feelings of abject hatred from rational fans of other teams (or neutrals), is tactically brilliant (more so than Mourinho), and is just the kind of manager that would make egos like Cristiano shut up and pay attention. But will he leave England? if he wins the world cup with them (*shudder*) he'll be a god in England. I wonder if his ego will allow him to go back to RMadrid, and if Perez's ego will allow him to offer Capello the job. I still believe that the reason Perez want's Rafa and not Mourinho is that Mourinho will steal the spotlight from Perez. Although I pray that Perez gets his way and signs Rafa, even it means that he'll leave Liverpool and they'll get better. I don't believe Manuel can stay at RMadrid. He's just not the commanding presence that Sir Alex or Ancelotti are (to name the managers that Crisitiano and Kaka have both had, respectively) and I don't believe that many of the superstars respect Manuel as they would someone who has won consistently at the highest levels for the biggest clubs.

anyhoo ... this offseason will be even better than the last in Madrid. I hope Manuel finds another position somewhere that will allow him to recover and shine. I liked him before he went to RMadrid.

Right before Perez resigned in February (after Mallorca game ) he had a long negotiation with Fabio back in November to take over the club , i remember quite well the list of 6 names (funny enough :ibra: was part of the names ) so he is a big fan of the Italian

Mourinho is a big gamble (so is every manager ) It's not like he don't have his faults , lets not forget he was also outsmarted in Serie A on several occasion and blow up a big lead

Rafa is a good students of studying the opponent , he prepare well for each team he play but he lost plenty of his reputation this season

Capello remain in my eyes the best but the least realistic option u just know England will go far under his command and that will leave Felipao as a strong candidate despite his failure as Chelsea manager among the rest of outside calls like Blanc & Laudrup and Michel
Although the Catalan press (useful sources in some news when u want an outside source away from the pro-madrid agenda press ) are reporting that the players are all behind Manuel and want him to continue which baffles me a bit .

 

[barcetia]

1 player(dani alves) vs 199 players(the whole cantera - raul)

 

[IrvDizzle]

Gio ... did Big Phil's failure @ Chelsea lessen him as a candidate in your eyes? I wasn't able to follow the EPL that closely when he was manager cuz I was in my last semester @ Schulich and only following FCB.