Ronald Koeman

[serghei]

I think he played a "soldier of the club" here.

When he was announced one of my friends asked me, why Koeman.
I said: my guess is because he is a big big biggg clib name, not some nobody, and he ia here to PURGE the squad from overpaid stars.

He is maybe even agreed to play a "scapegoat" and clean this shit for someone more suited ...

This is why I'm disappointed Busi plays instead of Puig.

 

[JerseyAddict]

This is why I'm disappointed Busi plays instead of Puig.

Agreed.

I am dissapointed Busi and Pjanic are playing at all. Nothing personal vs Miralem, but we need to move on from "oldies"...

For all that matters, Alba should be benched ffs. And I have his jersey. But he is history too.

 

[serghei]

Agreed.

I am dissapointed Busi and Pjanic are playing at all. Nothing personal vs Miralem, but we need to move on from "oldies"...

For all that matters, Alba should be benched ffs. And I have his jersey. But he is history too.

True, we need to move on from them, especially considering that they don't even bring results, to say you get some advantages of playing these experienced guys over the younger dudes.

 

[JohnN]

Just the biggest Amigo of them all and some of his disciples who are scared they will implode if they don't look for him all the time.

So, only Messi did play, isn't that right?

 

[Barcilliant]

It's frustrating. Most teams have multiple routes to goal. Gound, air, combination of short and long passes, crosses, able to play possession and or counters. Also a proper 9, pure wingers, a destroyer. The current Barca is stuck with short passing from tiki taka days with feeble ball playing mids, 10's and ss types in the front line and defenders that can't defend. No leaders on the field and a pussy mentality. If you look at the way Real won against Borussia (not that they are some perfect example) they can hit you multiple ways, on the ground, crosses (lots of them), shots from range (Modric, Kross, Valverde). Most other teams are like that. With Barca it's mostly one route; short pass.

I've been going on about this for years. Even during the Pep heydays we struggled with teams parking the bus. Anyone remember Rubin Kazan?
We need to abandon this pass to death mentally at all costs or we will end up being a Europa league club for the indefinite future.
I think Rijkaards Bar?a was the best in terms of versatility.

 

[Barcilliant]

I am not trying to play devils advocate or anything like that.

But Koeman didn't even get players he wanted.
Only Dest.

He has no 9 except Braith. He wanted his man
He didn't get it.

Who he got for CB?
He has a bunch of clowns or Kids.

Who is in the mid?
3 10s, 2 old farths and kids.

So... I think he doesn't stand a chance and he isn't even all to blame.
He accepted this shit...
And when it looked like he maybe could do it...
Ansu got hurt.
CB are either injured or crap.
Dembele is glass
Cou and Griezz are shadow-walkers.
Messi can't score 1/10 shots.

If I were Koeman I would already burn the f* dresingroom. Just for sake of clensing the evil spirits.


P.S.
Maybe I am not realistic. I admit that Koeman was my favorite player in Dream Team.

Koeman has inherited a fucking mess. I am surprised he took the job. My gripe with him is not playing Puig and playing Busquets. His subs could be better but the fault lies mainly with the previous board and the players who are pussies.

 

[serghei]

I've been going on about this for years. Even during the Pep heydays we struggled with teams parking the bus. Anyone remember Rubin Kazan?
We need to abandon this pass to death mentally at all costs or we will end up being a Europa league club for the indefinite future.
I think Rijkaards Bar?a was the best in terms of versatility.

Every team on the planet struggles from time to time when the other team cramps up in their own half. Also, that Rubin Kazan game was a group match, wasn't a big deal.

 

[Barcilliant]

For the love of God why are people blabbing on about a Puig, Pedri and De Jong midfield?
That midfield might be good against lower level liga teams but we would get slaughtered in cl. Too weak, too slow and not enough skill. These guys are not Xavi or Iniesta.

 

[Richard.H]

I've been going on about this for years. Even during the Pep heydays we struggled with teams parking the bus. Anyone remember Rubin Kazan?
We need to abandon this pass to death mentally at all costs or we will end up being a Europa league club for the indefinite future.
I think Rijkaards Bar?a was the best in terms of versatility.

I think Lucho's treble team was a lot more versatile. Deadly counter attacks, can defend when needed with real leaders at the back like Mascherano, and midfield had an absolute workhorse in Rakitic. It was completely different than tiki-taka Pep football.

 

[Barcilliant]

Another thing. It's time to get some players with an edge to them. Cunt types like Pepe, Ramos, Marcelo and Ibra.
I mean Ramos is a cunt but I would kill for a player like that in our team. Sick of these bland choir boy types. I would even think of taking on Mourinho. I think he would do a better job of cleaning out the amigos than Koeman.

 

[Richard.H]

Another thing. It's time to get some players with an edge to them. Cunt types like Pepe, Ramos, Marcelo and Ibra.
I mean Ramos is a cunt but I would kill for a player like that in our team. Sick of these bland choir boy types. I would even think of taking on Mourinho. I think he would do a better job of cleaning out the amigos than Koeman.

Agreed, the amount of pussies in this squad is incredible. Before we had Mascherano, Puyol, Prime Suarez, Dani Alves, Abidal, and even Xavi who wouldn't take shit from anyone. I think that Mingueza lad looks ballsy, but maybe it's because his face reminds me of Ramos

 

[Birdy]

I would not approach it like that.

When you rebuild a team, you start with an idea for how to play and you shape the team around that. We set to play 4-3-3, and we shape the squad in this direction, based on what we need.

That's what I understand from rebuilding.

I set to play 4-3-3 (because of major benefits), discover the weak points of the system and correct them with new players.

In other words, the job in a rebuild is not to find the system that works best for what you currently have (that's by default thinking short-term as Valverde did with his ancient 4-4-2). It is to develop the team for what you want to play. And besides that, his 4-2-3-1 isn't even working. So, instead of implementing the 4-3-3 we're wasting time playing a 4-2-3-1 which brings us nothing. If anything, it brings us non-stop bench time for one of our most promising midfielders.

But anyway, Koeman is a short term solution. He'll be gone in the summer 90%.

I agree about the idea which you work and develop.
But that cannot happen right now for the following reasons:

All of the old guard should go in order to play a productive 4-3-3 which responds to the needs of modern football. I mean ALL of them.
Because they have gradually accustomed themselves to play a slow, low-intensity, and sterile form of 4-3-3 which you can never shake off.

Basic values (both on and off the pitch) should be taught all over again.
A coach like Xavi would not work for that unless the team is full of youngsters like Puig and Pedri.
I would green-light Xavi becoming manager only when this is the case.

It's obvious we are not there now. 1-2 years are ahead in which one would have to find a way to field Coutinho and Griezman if you cannot sell them.
Koeman has improved the team in the following domains IMO:
(off pitch) reclaimed part of the authority of the coach
(on pitch) Intensity and pressing (OK with the obvious exception of Messi), cohesion and overall structure (team behaving as a unit).

He still has to find a way to improve the following:
Breaking parked buses, Penetrate close to the final third, scoring chances easier
I am not including defensive mistakes here, bcz I think it's a matter of personnel at the back. Not his fault.

I am accusing him of the following:
Personnel selection, and in particular using Busi (and Messi of course, but he cannot do anything about it) and Roberto, and for not playing Puig.

All in all, it's the first time after 2016 that I see some improvements after yearly regress on all domains.
Position in the league is bad, while the Juventus game messed up a really good CL group campaign after a couple of meh group campaigns under EV.
But everyone has to bear in mind how much time changing things needs.
I would rather not win anything this and the next year and then have achieved something, instead of following the Valverde way (sink in all respects with every passing day and hope that squeezing something out of the vets can save the day).
The former points to the future, the latter is clinging on the past.

If Font/Laporta are clever they will give Koeman a year without Messi to continue working, and after that they can go for the coach which will coach the next great Barca side.

 

[Barcilliant]

I think Lucho's treble team was a lot more versatile. Deadly counter attacks, can defend when needed with real leaders at the back like Mascherano, and midfield had an absolute workhorse in Rakitic. It was completely different than tiki-taka Pep football.

Lucho's team was great for a year. Went downhill after that.

 

[Raketa10]

I am not trying to play devils advocate or anything like that.

But Koeman didn't even get players he wanted.
Only Dest.

He has no 9 except Braith. He wanted his man
He didn't get it.

Who he got for CB?
He has a bunch of clowns or Kids.

Who is in the mid?
3 10s, 2 old farths and kids.

So... I think he doesn't stand a chance and he isn't even all to blame.
He accepted this shit...
And when it looked like he maybe could do it...
Ansu got hurt.
CB are either injured or crap.
Dembele is glass
Cou and Griezz are shadow-walkers.
Messi can't score 1/10 shots.

If I were Koeman I would already burn the f* dresingroom. Just for sake of clensing the evil spirits.


P.S.
Maybe I am not realistic. I admit that Koeman was my favorite player in Dream Team.

+1

 

[Givenchy]

Poch would be proven and ideal.

Still, if Xavi is to come it's a terrible mistake to come now.
First phase of rebuilding shall be getting rid of the old guard, reinstate authority in the role and figure of the coach, and reinstate basic principles of modern football (intensity, pressing, proper training)

This job is not done yet, and Koeman seems much more suited for that 'dirty work' than Xavi, who is daydreaming and still thinks Messi shall stay and that Busi is still the best DM in the world
Xavi can only succeed when house is cleaned first.

Xavi needs to coach a midtable la liga club imo before taking the step up to Barca. one of my favourite players ever and i'd hate to watch him fail here.

truth is, i don't think we'll ever see a full 'clearout' of the seniors as each manager we bring in seems to have a hard-on for atleast 1 of them, for Koeman its Busi. we just gotta wait until they decide to call it quits