I don t understand why he's still here.He is not the man who can't take us forward.Barca can't play 4-2-3-1.He is slowly killing all the Barca dna that was still in the team.And what he sees in Pedri and Trincao is beyond me.Trincao is Alaves level, Pedri not far off
Ronald Koeman
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henias
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From what I can see, Koeman's being extremely stubborn and his style isnt what we needed to propel us forward, his stuck in the 4 attackers paradigm and rigid system, coupled with his obsession with slow players and non-existent wingers. And his baffling decision to exclude Puig from the rebuild process.
Sure it takes time but this is Valverde all over again. He's simply isnt the right guy.
Horatio
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Passing game has improved and we do play around faster generally(Messi tends to slow it down yes). Also pressing finally.
Sometimes game hard to judge, Valencia is the last after long line of teams that have been parking the bus against us in La Liga.
Again too soon to judge. Perception would be different had Lenglet held his own better and Coutinho, Messi, Griezmann didnt lose their scoring boots. Also wingers injured.
Its just that it hits harder now with us experiencing a double whammy with needing time to change our style and some players playing way below expectations at the same time and some players injured.
I admit that I dont understand the situation with Puig. Do expect him to make his inclusion again soon.
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Hardy
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Gnidrologist
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I'm glad for the latest result. It bring this clueless, egotistical faggot ass closer to sack.
Birdy
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+1
Narrow-mindness to think that Koeman is the problem, when at the same time you have this current Messi playing 90 min every game.
And on the top of that, the above mentioned things have already improved.
Magic solutions are nowhere.
Klopp took 2 years to sort things out at Liverpool, and people are expecting new coach to come and work wonders in the first 6 months with so many problems to solve.
I wonder what Koeman haters here would have said if Valverde or Lucho or any other past coach had to carry this current Messi burden on his shoulders (whereas in fact Valverde for instance survived on Messi bailing him week in week out)
PS: Puig situation is explained enough I believe. Unless Puig learns how to behave, he is not going to play soon.
serghei
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We don't need to change our style. We need to get back to it after years of abandoning our ideas to suit the aging and slow veterans.
fergus90
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Koeman isn’t THE problem but he’s made enough questionable decisions so far to be considered part of the problem. Not that i'd sack him, he should see the season out but I wouldn't trust him with a rebuild.
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serghei
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Koeman is just a decent enough manager, but not good enough to be the one to rebuild the club. Simple as that for me. Nothing against him, he's simply not good enough for the huge tasks ahead.
Since rebuilding takes years anyway, it's important to give those years to the right guy. Otherwise, the club is facing United route. 7 years of no meaningful titles and counting.
Since rebuilding takes years anyway, it's important to give those years to the right guy. Otherwise, the club is facing United route. 7 years of no meaningful titles and counting.
Birdy
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I think progress has been made on some purely football aspects (along the lines of what Horatio said above), but the huge advantage Koeman has over Xavi or any other coach that will stay for long is that Koeman can do the dirty job and then leave.
Reimposing the authority of the coach and principles, cracking the entitled sickening mentality of the Amigos and the dressing room.
Now imagine Xavi (who is a bet anyways in terms of his coaching abilities, but let's assume for the sake of the argument he is the next Pep) walking in the current dressing room with his former mates running the show after years of entitlement and detachment from reality.
Just think yourself if he will be able to change anything.
No rebuild can happen without that cracking, deal with it...
Ernie was a Koeman-type strict coach when he was coaching Olympiacos and would not take shit from anyone.
But in Barca he turned into a scared little mouse that would bend over to Amigos.
Many (most) candidates out there do not cut it for that particular job. Xavi would be a terrible choice to do that.
Not all coaches are good at both, only handful of people have done that successfully.
That's why I say Koeman should stay put until his contract ends, until Messi is gone, until Busi and Pique are retired or relegated to the stands, until possibly Griez/Cou are also either gone or sorted out, and then the rest of the youthful and upcoming core have learned basic values and mentality, and then are set to learn how to coordinate on the pitch.
Then it's the time for Xavi or Poch or Ten Haag or whoever it is to build in terms of football
Reimposing the authority of the coach and principles, cracking the entitled sickening mentality of the Amigos and the dressing room.
Now imagine Xavi (who is a bet anyways in terms of his coaching abilities, but let's assume for the sake of the argument he is the next Pep) walking in the current dressing room with his former mates running the show after years of entitlement and detachment from reality.
Just think yourself if he will be able to change anything.
No rebuild can happen without that cracking, deal with it...
Ernie was a Koeman-type strict coach when he was coaching Olympiacos and would not take shit from anyone.
But in Barca he turned into a scared little mouse that would bend over to Amigos.
Many (most) candidates out there do not cut it for that particular job. Xavi would be a terrible choice to do that.
Not all coaches are good at both, only handful of people have done that successfully.
That's why I say Koeman should stay put until his contract ends, until Messi is gone, until Busi and Pique are retired or relegated to the stands, until possibly Griez/Cou are also either gone or sorted out, and then the rest of the youthful and upcoming core have learned basic values and mentality, and then are set to learn how to coordinate on the pitch.
Then it's the time for Xavi or Poch or Ten Haag or whoever it is to build in terms of football
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Horatio
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I meant style as in what players have gotten used to playing with the last few seasons. Bad habits got developed like convincing yourself meters are not that important(total-football been hammering for seasons it is) as long as you play solid football. And passing ball around endlessly is totally fine.
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