serghei
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Overall, he's been doing better than big experience manager Koeman.
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Overall, he's been doing better than big experience manager Koeman.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
Mate the only reason Koeman got appointed was because he has the Barca DNA.
This is exactly what some people here are talking about , we are literally chasing targets (be it players , board members or managers) not based on if they are qualified but if they had any prior ties to Barca.
serghei
Senior Member
Mate the only reason Koeman got appointed was because he has the Barca DNA.
He has no Barca DNA lol. His style can be found in a dozen EPL managers. First you need to define what Barca DNA is. If total football Cruyff inspired style is a main component in this Barca DNA, Koeman is testing negative.
Xavi, and Pep are positive.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
Edited my post ( clarified what I meant by Barca DNA)
serghei
Senior Member
If you make a list of managers at top 10 teams, you'll find that in the majority of cases, the manager had some ties with the club. It's perfectly normal, and not at all specific to Barca.
Tata Martino had no ties with Barca.
Quique Setien had no ties to Barca.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
Setien didn't have ties to Barca true , but he loved talking about tiki taka and that Barca DNA bullshit. So the great minds that run the club thought he would be a better option than Pochettino. Have no fucking Idea why they appointed Tata though.
The brain rot is actually hilarious to see. Acts like we're talking about any nation when we're talking about "European experience", including near East nations that happen to be in UEFA. Acts like when we're talking about "European experience", as if we're simply talking about having managed in Europe rather than having recently managed in Europe AND achieved high results. Acts like our POV supported Koeman, when he damn well knows I was against Koeman's appointment for the exact same reasons I am against Xavi's appointment. Making bad faith arguments just so he can make Xavi's appointment look like a rational decision. Literal brain rot.
You know damn well we're not saying we should get Sam Allydyrce's simply because he's managed in Europe. You know damn well we're not talking about potential managers in azerbaijan. You know damn well that's not the argument. What's up with the bad faith? Argue properly, or just don't respond.
You know damn well we're not saying we should get Sam Allydyrce's simply because he's managed in Europe. You know damn well we're not talking about potential managers in azerbaijan. You know damn well that's not the argument. What's up with the bad faith? Argue properly, or just don't respond.
serghei
Senior Member
So, it is brain rot, or I'm manipulating arguments? Make up your mind.
Not wasting my time with this shit. Wanna hate on Xavi because he doesn't have experience
? Go ahead.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
What have likes of Tuchel or Nagglesman done to be seen as top coaches?
Xavi is the obvious choice to give a chance to dur to his understanding of the club and how he wants game to be played.
There is not the clamour of top coaches to move to Spain and coach Barca anyway would be my guess and outwith Pep/Klopp not sure who would be seen as very top anyway.
Top proven coaches chose jobs wisely and now nor past few years would not be a good time for any of them to arrived.... and most want to be in EPL if can get there.
Xavi is the obvious choice to give a chance to dur to his understanding of the club and how he wants game to be played.
There is not the clamour of top coaches to move to Spain and coach Barca anyway would be my guess and outwith Pep/Klopp not sure who would be seen as very top anyway.
Top proven coaches chose jobs wisely and now nor past few years would not be a good time for any of them to arrived.... and most want to be in EPL if can get there.
The hilarious thing is, no one's (at least I'm not) hating on Xavi. I just don't think we should appoint him now simply because he's a club legend, and because Zidane worked. That instead, we should perhaps go for attainable managers with a recent history of managing for top clubs in Europe and achieving high results with consistent high level performances.
I wasn't talking about ANY manager (so not Koeman) in ANY country (so not azerbaijan) in Europe, but specifically managers managing in the best leagues in European football. No one here or any other football fan forum means ANY country in Europe when they're talking about "European experience." But you instead acted like I was so you can have your gotcha moment and stroke your ego instead of addressing the points. Like I said, Barca DNA brain rot.
I wasn't talking about ANY manager (so not Koeman) in ANY country (so not azerbaijan) in Europe, but specifically managers managing in the best leagues in European football. No one here or any other football fan forum means ANY country in Europe when they're talking about "European experience." But you instead acted like I was so you can have your gotcha moment and stroke your ego instead of addressing the points. Like I said, Barca DNA brain rot.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Who would be your choice this summer?
Raketa10
Senior Member
KingLeo10
Senior Member
It depends on what your expectations are:
If it's between Xavi and an established name like Pochettino (no longer available but using him as a reference point), then I'd say give Xavi a try for a year or two. His upside might be somewhere in the ballpark of Pep (not quite obviously as Pep also had a legendary roster) and his downside might be Koeman level. To me, that sort of upside-downside dynamic over a Pochettino Barca that would maybe win 1 out of 3 LL on average (be on equal footing with RM and AM) and not win CL would be worth it.
Pochettino is a good manager but not a great one. If we want to sit on top of Europe again at some point, we need either a great manager + good players or a good manager + great/legendary players...I don't see the latter happening but we do have some good players who under a great manager could make some noise.
For the record, none of this is about Barca DNA. I'm simply suggesting giving Xavi a chance (depending on expectations) based on his footballing brain.
If it's between Xavi and an established name like Pochettino (no longer available but using him as a reference point), then I'd say give Xavi a try for a year or two. His upside might be somewhere in the ballpark of Pep (not quite obviously as Pep also had a legendary roster) and his downside might be Koeman level. To me, that sort of upside-downside dynamic over a Pochettino Barca that would maybe win 1 out of 3 LL on average (be on equal footing with RM and AM) and not win CL would be worth it.
Pochettino is a good manager but not a great one. If we want to sit on top of Europe again at some point, we need either a great manager + good players or a good manager + great/legendary players...I don't see the latter happening but we do have some good players who under a great manager could make some noise.
For the record, none of this is about Barca DNA. I'm simply suggesting giving Xavi a chance (depending on expectations) based on his footballing brain.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
I would have taken Poch but dont think he was too keen on the job unless going to be out of work long term. Gone now anyway.
Who else is there after that? Not much.
Likes of Xavi brings a lot of positives even if there are question marks. Would take him over likes of Tuchel.
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