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[Laplacian]

What have likes of Tuchel or Nagglesman done to be seen as top coaches?

Xavi is the obvious choice to give a chance to dur to his understanding of the club and how he wants game to be played.

There is not the clamour of top coaches to move to Spain and coach Barca anyway would be my guess and outwith Pep/Klopp not sure who would be seen as very top anyway.

Top proven coaches chose jobs wisely and now nor past few years would not be a good time for any of them to arrived.... and most want to be in EPL if can get there.

What have we seen with Nagelsmann? He has managed to increase the level of multiple players in two separate clubs now, in Hoffenheim and Leipzig. We have multiple players who first blossomed under his tenures, from Gnabry to one season wonders like Joelinton. There is a clear "before and after" with Nagelsmann's teams, where after his appointment you can see a clear evolution of style in a short period of time coupled with better results at a consistent rate. He is no Ancelotti, Zidane, Mourinho, or whatever, but it is clear he is one of the best young managers in football.

Tuchel is even easier. Played some of the best football in Dortmund 16-17, known for elevating players in Germany as well, reached UCL finals, and has a respectable trophy cabinet.

I'm not saying these guys arent risks, but they do have a recent record of building teams, playing good football, achieving consistent good results at the highest level, and developing youth. Who knows, they might totally flop but they are for sure better choices than Xavi at the moment simply based on their resumes.

 

[JamDav1982]

Neither Tuchel or Nagglesman have yet shown to be top coaches really.

They have done well at clubs where aim is to develop players above and enough to be seen as a success in terms of competing for trophies.

Tuchel getting to CL final in circumstances of last year was decent but no huge acheivement to get to final and lose with the players had against every team came up against.

Granted both have more experience so can never say Xavi has proved more than them now but hard to class those two as amongst the top coaches if that is criteria looking for.

There is also the assumption that Barca could even get likes of Nagglesman and not already lined up for Bayern.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Neither Tuchel or Nagglesman have yet shown to be top coaches really.

They have done well at clubs where aim is to develop players above and enough to be seen as a success in terms of competing for trophies.

Tuchel getting to CL final in circumstances of last year was decent but no huge acheivement to get to final and lose with the players had against every team came up against.

Granted both have more experience so can never say Xavi has proved more than them now but hard to class those two as amongst the top coaches if that is criteria looking for.

There is also the assumption that Barca could even get likes of Nagglesman and not already lined up for Bayern.

Tuchel has made FSV Mainz to a Europa league team and made Dortmund playing well. Bayern was on prime time so it was impossible for Dortmund to win the title. Imo they were the best/second best team Europa league team in 15/16 but were unlucky to lose against liverpool with an outstanding Coutinho. In PSG his success was good, he took them to a cl final in two seasons while having an average team for a top club. All in all he is a very good coach for me, maybe not top.

 

[serghei]

Tuchel has made FSV Mainz to a Europa league team and made Dortmund playing well. Bayern was on prime time so it was impossible for Dortmund to win the title. Imo they were the best/second best team Europa league team in 15/16 but were unlucky to lose against liverpool with an outstanding Coutinho. In PSG his success was good, he took them to a cl final in two seasons while having an average team for a top club. All in all he is a very good coach for me, maybe not top.

PSG didn't have an average team. Much better team than Atalanta and Leipzig. If anything, Tuchel underachieved in CL by being knocked out by the 2nd string team of United a year before.

Only Bayern had a better side than PSG at last year Final 8 in Lisbon.

 

[JamDav1982]

Tuchel has made FSV Mainz to a Europa league team and made Dortmund playing well. Bayern was on prime time so it was impossible for Dortmund to win the title. Imo they were the best/second best team Europa league team in 15/16 but were unlucky to lose against liverpool with an outstanding Coutinho. In PSG his success was good, he took them to a cl final in two seasons while having an average team for a top club. All in all he is a very good coach for me, maybe not top.

I get what folk think Tuchel has done well just dont agree it is anything to consider him a top coach that would suit Barca.

Getting PSG to CL final is decent but they had a far stronger squad than any teams they came up against and lost the first time they didnt.

 

[serghei]

I get what folk think Tuchel has done well just dont agree it is anything to consider him a top coach that would suit Barca.

Getting PSG to CL final is decent but they had a far stronger squad than any teams they came up against and lost the first time they didnt.

Compared to their squad quality and the draws they had, he actually underachieved in the CL in the 2 seasons he was at PSG. Getting eliminated in Last 16 by that United, after winning 2-0 in the first leg, was meme material at the time.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Nah. If there was two rounds PSG would have choked as usual. To me, it's not that big achievement if you make it through from one game KO. Too much luck involved.

PSG was minutes away going out Vs Atalanta.

 

[serghei]

Nah. If there was two rounds PSG would have choked as usual. To me, it's not that big achievement if you make it through from one game KO. Too much luck involved.

PSG was minutes away going out Vs Atalanta.

Since PSG sacked him midseason, they probably aren't happy with the performances of the team under Tuchel either. And yet, we should deny Xavi his shot to get a PSG reject .

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Respect for benching Griezmann.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Since PSG sacked him midseason, they probably aren't happy with the performances of the team under Tuchel either. And yet, we should deny Xavi his shot to get a PSG reject .

Yeah, PSG is struggling in French League. They are not doing any better than us.

Almost dropped out in CL group stage too.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah, PSG is struggling in French League. They are not doing any better than us.

Almost dropped out in CL group stage too.

His first season I am sure they failed to win both domestic cups and were knocked out CL by Man U reserves in last 16 of CL.

At Barca wouldnt get a second one if did that but at PSG the league is gteed and can always point to that.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

His first season I am sure they failed to win both domestic cups and were knocked out CL by Man U reserves in last 16 of CL.

At Barca wouldnt get a second one if did that but at PSG the league is gteed and can always point to that.

Wow. How did they not fire him then?

 

[serghei]

Wow. How did they not fire him then?

I'm sure they considered it .

 

[messi2140]

It depends on what your expectations are:

If it's between Xavi and an established name like Pochettino (no longer available but using him as a reference point), then I'd say give Xavi a try for a year or two. His upside might be somewhere in the ballpark of Pep (not quite obviously as Pep also had a legendary roster) and his downside might be Koeman level. To me, that sort of upside-downside dynamic over a Pochettino Barca that would maybe win 1 out of 3 LL on average (be on equal footing with RM and AM) and not win CL would be worth it.

Pochettino is a good manager but not a great one. If we want to sit on top of Europe again at some point, we need either a great manager + good players or a good manager + great/legendary players...I don't see the latter happening but we do have some good players who under a great manager could make some noise.

For the record, none of this is about Barca DNA. I'm simply suggesting giving Xavi a chance (depending on expectations) based on his footballing brain.

Fair enough. I want to add that my gripes aren't solely aimed at Xavi either. Just look how people are talking about Jordi Cruyff , the guy literally achieved nothing and yet we see his name pop up several times. ( another example)

 

[Horatio]

Jordi Cruijff should stay away from Barca. Living off of his fathers legacy.