Ronald Koeman

malvolio

Senior Member
Why would he do that? Like seriously.
If you are his agent, would you recommend him doing that? Making him risk his reputation when he kniws he will get Barca job one way or another?

And tbf, the likes of Xavi and Pep before him work the best when they have one of the top squads in their leagues, in order to implement their ideas. If he goes to Eurooe it would be stupid to go to midtable club , and no team competing for titles will hire him from Qatar right out except Barca.

what reputation? xavi has zero reputation as manager. and you really don't lose reputation by going to a mid table club.

this whole thing about him having a guaranteed job as manager of barcelona is bullshit. be a man and try something in top football. and if he is guaranteed the job anyway, he can try something else for 2 seasons instead of managing camels in qatar.

why would it be stupid to manage a team that is not elite? with the scenario you are describing(perfect team, perfect squad, lots of money) any manager would like that.
 

El Gato

Villarato!
Rodgers ultimate ambition is to coach Barca and is fluent in Spanish for that reason.

Curious.

Don't think he ever specifically claim Barca is the dream? Thought he's mates with del Bosque and Mourinho also. Think I've seen a video where he was influenced by La Masia and Ajax academy setup, but again, not too sure if he'd not take the offer elsewhere if opportunity presented itself.
 

serghei

Senior Member
If we decide Xavi is not a good fit right now, out of the ones available, Brendan Rodgers could be an interesting name.
 

fergus90

Senior Member
If we decide Xavi is not a good fit right now, out of the ones available, Brendan Rodgers could be an interesting name.

I almost think Xavi thinks it wouldn't be a good fit right now. Too many ex-teammates not up to the level required.
 

serghei

Senior Member
I almost think Xavi thinks it wouldn't be a good fit right now. Too many ex-teammates not up to the level required.

That's the smart, but ultimately un-courageous, and passive move. The smart, bold move would be to step in and phase out the washed-up veterans even if some are his friends. Friendship is one thing, professionalism is another. Have a sit-down and tell them to accept secondary roles or retire/move.

Why wait and let time (years maybe) do your work, when you can use the power of the function and start moving the team in the right direction in months?
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
I almost think Xavi thinks it wouldn't be a good fit right now. Too many ex-teammates not up to the level required.

I guess we'll find out in a month or two...
Hard to speculate about his thoughts, we know he said no when he was asked 16 months ago or whatever it was, in the middle of the season.
 

fergus90

Senior Member
That's the smart, but ultimately un-courageous, and passive move. The smart, bold move would be to step in and phase out the washed-up veterans even if some are his friends. Friendship is one thing, professionalism is another. Have a sit-down and tell them to accept secondary roles or retire/move.

Why wait and let time (years maybe) do your work, when you can use the power of the function and start moving the team in the right direction in months?

I was quite surprised he took the two-year renewal, to be honest. That was pretty much the only conclusion I could draw from it.

It's also risky because if we get another coach who comes in and performs well, he would potentially blow his opportunity as the timing is no longer favorable for him.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
That's the smart, but ultimately un-courageous, and passive move. The smart, bold move would be to step in and phase out the washed-up veterans even if some are his friends. Friendship is one thing, professionalism is another. Have a sit-down and tell them to accept secondary roles or retire/move.

Why wait and let time (years maybe) do your work, when you can use the power of the function and start moving the team in the right direction in months?

The even more courageos, bold and smart move would be to make full use of Busquets, Pique, Alba and Messi for another season or two, but make the whole team into a functioning unit again, highlighting their strengths but hiding their weaknesses.

If it can't be done then of course he needs to get rid of those who are not good enough.

The terrible thing would be Koeman (or another one like him) for another year, bringing in a handful of cheap mediocre players filling up space while getting rid of the players that have some of the quality needed. It would be even tougher to build from there, I think.
 

serghei

Senior Member
I was quite surprised he took the two-year renewal, to be honest. That was pretty much the only conclusion I could draw from it.

It's also risky because if we get another coach who comes in and performs well, he would potentially blow his opportunity as the timing is no longer favorable for him.

Yea. Another manager steps in, has the guts to continue where Koeman chickened out, with some improvement in what didn't work good this season, and Xavi is left with his dick in hand pardon my expression.

Btw, if Koeman wouldn't be such a bitter and vengeful person, I'd support him. But he's his own worst enemy with the way he alienates and disrespects some of the players he doesn't like. The team showed improvements in quite a few areas, but I feel the next step will be missing for Koeman if we don't change the manager.

The even more courageos, bold and smart move would be to make full use of Busquets, Pique, Alba and Messi for another season or two, but make the whole team into a functioning unit again, highlighting their strengths but hiding their weaknesses.

If it can't be done then of course he needs to get rid of those who are not good enough.

That's how I expect it to go tbh. Will start on an even note with everyone, doubt he'll exclude pieces from the start, before any match. But I would expect him to take action the first sign the game is not going well. Which should be pretty fast in the season.

Alba, Busi, Messi can still help and could show a good level under Xavi, under the right conditions. Not Pique. Probably not Roberto either (he wasn't that good even when he was at his best). Umtiti should be done and dusted.
 
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Nazario1985

Senior Member
People were trashing Lucho but in reality turned to be one of our best managers, no one is perfect even Pep screwed it hard with our best squad in history.

Even EV had better vision that RK YES I SAID IT.

RK proved NOTHING in 20 years of his managerial career, yet people dreamed for him to manage a top team with the GOAT in it.

Now people trashing Xavi for managing at Qatar, but i think it's a smart decision to mature himself before going back to spain no one gives a shit about sporting Gijon playing the league getting trashed by big teams in the meanwhile Xavi experienced what is it to manage in a CL knock out (Asia) which is HUGE and something he will never live to see with a mid table team.

But is he good for Barca ? will he be the next Rijkaard / Pep/ Luis Enrique ? no one knows.

RK failed miserably in motivating players at the start & the end of the season (i could see it in FDJ horrible season), Busi relatively outstanding performance this year is it due to Koeman or him being motivated after EV left ?

Another year with Koeman we will waste Messi last seasons (if he stays) and Barcelona's time, we need of squeeze the best of what's left of Messi.

We need a good sporting director then a good coach.
 

Jaguar

Flair Trait
I want a manager that has balls enough to tell majority our players they shouldn't even be on the bench with how they're playing.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
[MENTION=11668]khaled_a_d[/MENTION]
1)
You don't need to win titles to pass the test with a midtable or upper-midtable team.
You are judged on grounds of football you played.
Even Pep is doubtful to be able to win anything if he was coaching Villareal let's say.

Hence, this is not an argument in his favor.
On the contrary, it confirms that he is afraid to get tried out and wants to use his hereditary privilege to jump straight to the highest job (Barca coach)

2) Poch was Bartomeu's 1st choice but the other members of his board rejected him because of his Espanyol past and his past anti-Barca statements.
Allegri was never an option, despite being top coach, as he does not play attacking-minded football.
Hence, there was no other safe option last summer

[MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION]

There are 3 HUGE RED FLAGS that tell us Xavi should not come close to the Barca bench anytime soon
1)
You are conflating football principles with the application of football principles. These two are not the same.
Pep has never changed principles, but he tweaks and changes all the time their application as he is adapting to the demands of the game.
Had he stayed within the 09-11 Barca way for ever, he would have never continued winning titles.
AGAIN, look at Mourinho to see what happens to a coach that does not change.

So, when you say that Pep-influenced coaches dominate nowadays, yes that's true.
They dominate though with styles that are sometimes very far from Barca 09-11 tiki taka game, like Pep himself who dominates differently.
And the influence they received is seen more on that are the principles behind their game, rather than how they exactly play.

Now, the problem with Xavi is that he may know the principles very well, and be a great student of Pep.
But it is questionable if he knows how to apply them in today's top-level of European football, and it is also questionable if he has realized how coaches who are still winning, like Pep, have adapted to today's needs.
It's all nice when you give a lecture, but it's very different to apply principles by adapting all the time.
Xavi in his interviews comes out as dogmatic about way of playing, which tells us enough about whether he will be able to adapt or not.

That's a Huge Red flag no1 when it comes to Xavi.

2) In his interviews, he says things like what khaled quoted above (That Busi is still the best DM in the world), or what I wrote yesterday about Pogba, which shows that there is quite some problem with his judgment.
If you cannot see that Pogba has an exceptional technique, then there is something flawed in you judgment.
Likewise, If you cannot see that Busi has declined, and that there are phases of play where he is absolutely catastrophic for the team.

So, on the top of red flag no1, we have to add a red flag no2:
Xavi's judgment is questionable, and IMO this has to do again with a kind of dogamitsm.
If for example, you don't have an impartial view, you will fail to see that Busi not being able to run impacts negatively the defensive transition of the team.

3) Finally, the fact that he contested the manager in training shows two things:
i) that he had authority to do so (part of the original Amigos as Khaled said)
ii) that he is dogmatic

ii confirm my point in 1
i confirms what Khaled said, and that he will not be able to lead any team with his buddies still around.

The 3rd Huge Red flag is that he is part of the Amigos.
You cannot remove the poison from a body by adding more to it.

And the fact that he does not want to try himself at another European club, and waits only for Barca, tells a lot about his attitude.

All in all, there are too many red flags one has to neglect.
It's not only a leap of faith, it's a religious expectation.
 
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serghei

Senior Member
1) You're working on the assumption Xavi will be like an idiot who will try to implement Barca 2011 with worse players. Don't see why anyone would think that. He will apply elements, like improve passing in midfield, improve pressing, help us control the ball better, and don't end up defending a 2-1 vs 10 men Villareal.

2) What the hell? SAF probably didn't rate Pogba either. :lol: Nothing wrong with not liking Pogba's technical profile. I don't either. Flashy, but no substance. He's a bench player at United btw.

3) Depends on what you mean by amigo. Leaders are known to comment when they don't like something. Madrid star players got in conflict with Benitez and they sacked him eventually. Eto'o got in conflict with Pep. Numerous examples. So, it doesn't say shit. Of course, if you get in conflict with the manager because the training is too hard or too often like the amigos moaned about Setien... then that's unacceptable.

The Xavi I remember as a player was constantly among the hardest-working players in the team.
 
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Birdy

Senior Member
1) Then watch his interviews again. He comes out as dogmatic about formation and way of playing, he implies that all the time, not to mention that he had literally said if Barca had 1-2 good wingers like Sancho, the 4-3-3 would be great.
He still lives in 09-11.

Pressing and possession had already improved under Koeman.
So that's not something you need Xavi to solve

2) 'Like' can mean many things.
When you can't objectively see if a player has good or bad technique on the ball, that's not a question of like or dislike.
It's a question of sound judgment.

3) Khaled explained it well what it means to be part of the Amigos.
He is never gonna be seen as an authority figure by his best buddies here.
 

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