Ronald Koeman

[FinBarcelonafan]

Just to say Averages per games are terribles.

Since he is here less than a season you can easily go a see every important match, here is a teaser.

Failed EVERY & EACH important moment in the season which is a first low not even Setien has reached.

Now if you have watched our gameplay you could easily see that Koeman is great at "player" management but horrible as tactician, "lets throw 5 players up front the last 5 minutes with hope to score a goal" hilariously bad.

Those are truly horrible results!

Yikes

 

[Birdy]

Just to say Averages per games are terribles.

Since he is here less than a season you can easily go a see every important match, here is a teaser.

Failed EVERY & EACH important moment in the season which is a first low not even Setien has reached.

Now if you have watched our gameplay you could easily see that Koeman is great at "player" management but horrible as tactician, "lets throw 5 players up front the last 5 minutes with hope to score a goal" hilariously bad.

OK, may I ask where did you find the pic?
Biased is a soft word to describe it.
It's including games that are not against 'strong opponents' (like the ones vs Granada and Levante) on the one hand,
while on the other excluding games against 'strong opponents' where we won like
Juve- Barca 0-2
Sevilla Barca 0-2
Barca -Sevilla Copa remontada
Bilbao - Barca 0-4 Copa final
Sociedad - Barca 1-6

So:
NO, he didn't NOT fail EACH and EVERY big game.
It's just you who are biased
Sorry, but I can't keep a back-forth with people who willingly distort data just to pass on their subjective views

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Sorry, but I can't keep a back-forth with people who willingly distort data just to pass on their subjective views

Unfortunately we have some of these people here

 

[Birdy]

No I am obviously not satisfied with that
You bring up statistics a lot, maybe you can give a quick p-value for that change in xG and xGA?

Some quick points on the top of my head:

• Expected goals for and against doesn't tell the whole picture obviously
• Even so, the expected goal difference based on these numbers would be: 36, 28, 31, 36 roughly. Significant? Satisfied with sample size?
• I can add that the season prior to that (I asked for 5 seasons) Barcelona had a +79GD...
• Last year was a dip in performance enough to get two managers sacked.
• Why do you choose non-penalty goals as the metric here?
• Actual goal difference in the last 10 years are: 85, 75, 67, 89, 83, 79, 70, 54, 48, 47
• Actual points taken in the last 10 years are: 91, 100, 87, 94, 91, 90, 93, 87, 82, (82 with 2 more wins)

Master of evading admitting defeat...

1) First of all why do you jump 10 years back?
Are we comparing now this team to Pep's team?
Hell no

2) xG data were not widely available 5 years back. The site I used lists xG data since 2017.
Enough to compare the EV teams and last season with what Koeman is doing now

3) Non-penalty xG for and against is the most reliable metric.
Pens are awarded not created. Hence, chance creation is tainted if you include pens.
You will see the same metric put forward by most data analysts out there

4) If you do the chance conversion calculation (non-p G / non-p xG) for you see that:
20/21: 1.05 (74/70.4)
19/20: 1.26 (78/61.9)
18/19: 1.19 (80/67)
17/18: 1. 23 (93/ 75.2)

npG/npxG against:
20/21: 0.85 (29/33.8)
19/20: 1.01 (31/30.7)
18/19: 0.87 (34/39)
17/18: 0.68 (27/39.6)

So our attackers have the worst conversion rate of the last 4 seasons.
If their rate was 1.2, which would be more closer to the one of the previous 3 seasons, we would have scored 10 more goals by now.
You don't need to wonder why this League is not done and dusted in our favor.

And clearly the reason is not our record against RM and Atletico.
League is not won by the one who wins against top-3, but by the one who consistently wins against midtable and lowtable teams
It's that we didn't win games where we had the best chances, and we wasted them.

 

[KingLeo10]

Unfortunately we have some of these people here

Starting with the guy who deliberately posted wrong goal stats for CR7 the other day to make his ratio look more impressive

 

[serghei]

OK, may I ask where did you find the pic?
Biased is a soft word to describe it.
It's including games that are not against 'strong opponents' (like the ones vs Granada and Levante) on the one hand,
while on the other excluding games against 'strong opponents' where we won like
Juve- Barca 0-2
Sevilla Barca 0-2
Barca -Sevilla Copa remontada
Bilbao - Barca 0-4 Copa final
Sociedad - Barca 1-6

So:
NO, he didn't NOT fail EACH and EVERY big game.
It's just you who are biased
Sorry, but I can't keep a back-forth with people who willingly distort data just to pass on their subjective views

That's true. But you have to admit that he failed in the majority of them. And that this crippled Madrid and current Atletico are not better teams than Barca. So, a big blame lies on his shoulders.

Problem is he's frequently outsmarted tactically, and not only by elite managers. But he did do quite a few good things as well. So... there's a case for both keeping or sacking him.

 

[Nazario1985]

OK, may I ask where did you find the pic?
Biased is a soft word to describe it.
It's including games that are not against 'strong opponents' (like the ones vs Granada and Levante) on the one hand,
while on the other excluding games against 'strong opponents' where we won like
Juve- Barca 0-2
Sevilla Barca 0-2
Barca -Sevilla Copa remontada
Bilbao - Barca 0-4 Copa final
Sociedad - Barca 1-6

So:
NO, he didn't NOT fail EACH and EVERY big game.
It's just you who are biased
Sorry, but I can't keep a back-forth with people who willingly distort data just to pass on their subjective views

The games in the pic was the IMPORTANT turn around like NOT LOSING 0-3 to Juventus but end up loosing 0-3 to Juventus ...

GRANDA was the match to put us at N1 on the table & Levante is one when we said by by to la ligua.

and yes we got cucked by both Madrid teams the whole season ... a record !

 

[Birdy]

The games in the pic was the IMPORTANT turn around like NOT LOSING 0-3 to Juventus but end up loosing 0-3 to Juventus ...

GRANDA was the match to put us at N1 on the table & Levante is one when we said by by to la ligua.

and yes we got cucked by both Madrid teams the whole season ... a record !

But the return against Sevilla in the Copa semis not important?
The Copa final not important?

Cm'oon.
You can't cut and paste whatever you like to fit into your narrative

 

[serghei]

Turnaround vs Sevilla and Cup final were important games that Koeman delivered in. No point in undermining the good the guy did, especially considering that it was a rarity in the big games this season.

 

[Birdy]

That's true. But you have to admit that he failed in the majority of them. And that this crippled Madrid and current Atletico are not better teams than Barca. So, a big blame lies on his shoulders.

Problem is he's frequently outsmarted tactically, and not only by elite managers. But he did do quite a few good things as well. So... there's a case for both keeping or sacking him.

The last line is wrong IMO.

Yes, he failed the majority of derbys, but honestly i don't give a flying fuck for that *WHEN* at the same time he improved so much the team, and *WHEN* we would have won the league by now if our attackers were not wasteful.

There is an inflated sense of pride around those games. We are not talking about a finished product yet.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Starting with the guy who deliberately posted wrong goal stats for CR7 the other day to make his ratio look more impressive

I didn't even mention a name and still you knew who was meant. You can try to tell yourself the lies, but at some point you will have to accept the truth

 

[serghei]

The last line is wrong IMO.

Yes, he failed the majority of derbys, but honestly i don't give a flying fuck for that *WHEN* at the same time he improved so much the team, and *WHEN* we would have won the league by now if our attackers were not wasteful.

There is an inflated sense of pride around those games. We are not talking about a finished product yet.

I see, you think this was only the first step, and next season he will improve us and win it. I disagree. I think this is what we get with Koeman, and the progress from here on will be marginal, if that.

He doesn't seem like a manager who will overcome his flaws, and boy does he have flaws.

 

[Nazario1985]

But the return against Sevilla in the Copa semis not important?
The Copa final not important?

Cm'oon.
You can't cut and paste whatever you like to fit into your narrative

I'm sorry i have to correct it : HE FAILED MOST OF THEM

Does that make him a good coach ?

if RK is good then EV is a god !!

We lost la ligua to the a sleepy RM & AM handed us the league twice and we said no ...

And don't say the league isnt won against the big 3 .. of course it is not only you drop huge amount of points but you are given them to your rivals !!!

5 points lost to AM & 6 points lost to RM !! if that's not the league i don't know what it is

 

[serghei]

Besides, look at the rivals in the league. Sure, this team is in reconstruction, and in a season where the rivals are any good, nobody would blame Koeman for missing the title. Look at the vibe here when Atletico was running away with it, racking 50 points in the first half of the season. Nobody even demanded the title. And if Atletico and Madrid would've shown a high level, hey, fair enough, we can't comment too much, they were great and we are changing the lines with younger players.

But... big but... when the rivals collapse, and you are well set up to win the title, and all you have to do is make sure you beat some small teams like Granada and Levante, who had absolutely nothing to play for in comparison with Barca, and you fuck up this bad because of your own flaws... then sorry, but Koeman deserves the heat he's getting.

 

[KingLeo10]

I didn't even mention a name and still you knew who was meant. You can try to tell yourself the lies, but at some point you will have to accept the truth

'sup with the stats Fats? TMs and Whoscored give -->

99Gs in 143 matches and 38G in 48 Still pretty damn good

https://www.transfermarkt.us/cristiano-ronaldo/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/8198

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/Show/Cristiano-Ronaldo

I get that you love CR and nothing wrong with that but I mean, the way you've been harpin about stating the truth

Nice to see you no longer putting up the pretense of being a Barca or Messi fan.

Those stats are fake, just like you saying Ronaldo had 36 goals in 37 games this season. He has played 130 games for Juve, yet you just decide to cut it down by 20 to make his ratio look better

If the midfield and team is so bad at creating chances, then why does Ronaldo have the most big chances missed of any player in the big 5 leagues. Without penalties, I am pretty sure Chiesa and Morata have a better G/A per minutes played than CR as well.

Don't want to get into an argument, but you really are a piece of work who's completely detached from reality. Here you see examples of where other forum members called you out for faking stats to suit CR7 and yet I'm supposed to be the one who's gotta accept "the truth".