Spanish FA, FC Barcelona sanctioned for international transfers of minors

ebieymjunior

Senior Member
Check this out, according the board we have had a series of communication with FIFA on this matter:

http://www.totalbarca.com/2014/news/club-publish-a-history-of-communication-with-fifa/

Sounds like FIFA was well aware of everything, including our responses yet they still came out with the ban.

People blaming the board for everything should lighten up. This publication shows that they at least responded to the questions.
If you think this board is bad, you'd have to look at other clubs and realise that really shady things happen there.
Contrary to popular belief, the CURRENT board (not with Rosell) is not that incompetent, and are at least trying to fix things, which FIFA isn't making easier.
I agree that a central back should have been signed these 2 years (under Rosell) and that Song shouldn't have been bought, but this was the summer where the current board wanted to make up for all those mistakes, and then this happens.

La Masia is what the club stands for, the very ideals of Barcelona since Cruyff, and not fighting to keep it would be a waste and would even show that the board doesn't love the club. FIFA knows the club's values, and yet targets only this club, when they could at least target the clubs that really exploit young players.
If they really want to show that no institution is above the law, why don't they start by FIFA itself?
In light of all these evidences, the club could eventually argue that the punishment is way to big for the allegations, seeing that the Spanish Football Federation allowed this to happen.
 

Kjk21

New member
That's a different matter. Fifa should be punishing all clubs that broke the rules, but this still makes no difference for Barça. The board broke the rules. Rosell asked to change the law or be excused, and this was stupid from him. Too much confidence on something that was not going to be decided by him. He should had just followed the rules.

I'm not saying they shouldn't punish Barca, I'm saying why are they only punishing Barca? I think its a fairly accurate assumptions that other clubs are doing the same things, if not worse.
 

Kjk21

New member
People blaming the board for everything should lighten up. This publication shows that they at least responded to the questions.
If you think this board is bad, you'd have to look at other clubs and realise that really shady things happen there.
Contrary to popular belief, the CURRENT board (not with Rosell) is not that incompetent, and are at least trying to fix things, which FIFA isn't making easier.
I agree that a central back should have been signed these 2 years (under Rosell) and that Song shouldn't have been bought, but this was the summer where the current board wanted to make up for all those mistakes, and then this happens.

La Masia is what the club stands for, the very ideals of Barcelona since Cruyff, and not fighting to keep it would be a waste and would even show that the board doesn't love the club. FIFA knows the club's values, and yet targets only this club, when they could at least target the clubs that really exploit young players.
If they really want to show that no institution is above the law, why don't they start by FIFA itself?
In light of all these evidences, the club could eventually argue that the punishment is way to big for the allegations, seeing that the Spanish Football Federation allowed this to happen.

Excellent post.
 
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Flavia

Guest
People blaming the board for everything should lighten up. This publication shows that they at least responded to the questions.
If you think this board is bad, you'd have to look at other clubs and realise that really shady things happen there.
Contrary to popular belief, the CURRENT board (not with Rosell) is not that incompetent, and are at least trying to fix things, which FIFA isn't making easier.
I agree that a central back should have been signed these 2 years (under Rosell) and that Song shouldn't have been bought, but this was the summer where the current board wanted to make up for all those mistakes, and then this happens.

La Masia is what the club stands for, the very ideals of Barcelona since Cruyff, and not fighting to keep it would be a waste and would even show that the board doesn't love the club. FIFA knows the club's values, and yet targets only this club, when they could at least target the clubs that really exploit young players.
If they really want to show that no institution is above the law, why don't they start by FIFA itself?
In light of all these evidences, the club could eventually argue that the punishment is way to big for the allegations, seeing that the Spanish Football Federation allowed this to happen.

The problem is not La Masia, is the signing of foreing minors. The fcb board did not comply to the fifa rules regarding it. It's the board fault, no one else. I don't care about other teams. And the cb problem is that rosell, bartomeu and co were aware the ban could happen, and instead of signing a cb and ter Stegen last summer, they did nothing, thinking fifa wouldn't punish them. I believe there are 3rd party interests behind this, but this still doesn't change the fact this board put the club in this position.

I'm not saying they shouldn't punish Barca, I'm saying why are they only punishing Barca? I think its a fairly accurate assumptions that other clubs are doing the same things, if not worse.

So what? I don't care about teams, I care about Barça. This has nothing to do with the fact the board put the club in a very difficult position.
 

Antimadridista1

New member
Even if the board made a mistake, this suspension is unfair.
This is mainly what Bartomeu said earlier ; he knows that the board made mistakes and is guilty but he insisted about the one-season suspension/two mercato and I think that he's right.
 

ebieymjunior

Senior Member
The problem is not La Masia, is the signing of foreing minors. The fcb board did not comply to the fifa rules regarding it. It's the board fault, no one else. I don't care about other teams. And the cb problem is that rosell, bartomeu and co were aware the ban could happen, and instead of signing a cb and ter Stegen last summer, they did nothing, thinking fifa wouldn't punish them. I believe there are 3rd party interests behind this, but this still doesn't change the fact this board put the club in this position.



So what? I don't care about teams, I care about Barça. This has nothing to do with the fact the board put the club in a very difficult position.

Agreed that the club could have done much better, but the fact remains that after Rosell departed, the board was extremely careful to be as correct and as open as they could (especially knowing that their positions are at stake). And yes, still then they weren't perfect, but what the club needed most then (and now still) is to be stable and a change of coach/board would be in many ways counterproductive.

The fact remains that the deeds were done, how do you proceed from here? Better stop looking backward and start looking forward, otherwise they we could easily stumble, and then it'd be really difficult to get back up. Might as well support the team and pray the appeal goes well or at least the sentence is reduced, which I don't doubt will happen.

And then, after that, what happens to the La Masia model? Thrown away by FIFA? Requesting that the law be enhanced should be at least considered, that and the fact that FIFA didn't fulfil the promise to revise the law, but instead decided to initiate the ban and did not even think to mention that to the club involved.
As much as I didn't like the fact that Rosell was there, his idea of enhancing that law is better than what most would imagine to do.

Regardless, once again, I know that they could have done better, but now's not the time (especially considering the players) to start shouting revolution.

PS: notice how no-one was signed in those conditions after FIFA started asking questions?
 
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Flavia

Guest
Agreed that the club could have done much better, but the fact remains that after Rosell departed, the board was extremely careful to be as correct and as open as they could (especially knowing that their positions are at stake). And yes, still then they weren't perfect, but what the club needed most then (and now still) is to be stable and a change of coach/board would be in many ways counterproductive.

The fact remains that the deeds were done, how do you proceed from here? Better stop looking backward and start looking forward, otherwise they we could easily stumble, and then it'd be really difficult to get back up. Might as well support the team and pray the appeal goes well or at least the sentence is reduced, which I don't doubt will happen.

And then, after that, what happens to the La Masia model? Thrown away by FIFA? Requesting that the law be enhanced should be at least considered, that and the fact that FIFA didn't fulfil the promise to revise the law, but instead decided to initiate the ban and did not even think to mention that to the club involved.
As much as I didn't like the fact that Rosell was there, his idea of enhancing that law is better than what most would imagine to do.

Regardless, once again, I know that they could have done better, but now's not the time (especially considering the players) to start shouting revolution.

Yes, it is. This board have reached a new low every month lately. New elections should happen this summer, and some people who knows what they're doing should replace these people. Bartomeu worked for Laporta. He destroyed the basketball treble-winning team, and Laporta fired him. And now he's the president.

The La Masia model won't be thrown away by fifa, this is overreacting. The problem was with foreign minors.
 

Kjk21

New member
The problem is not La Masia, is the signing of foreing minors. The fcb board did not comply to the fifa rules regarding it. It's the board fault, no one else. I don't care about other teams. And the cb problem is that rosell, bartomeu and co were aware the ban could happen, and instead of signing a cb and ter Stegen last summer, they did nothing, thinking fifa wouldn't punish them. I believe there are 3rd party interests behind this, but this still doesn't change the fact this board put the club in this position.



So what? I don't care about teams, I care about Barça. This has nothing to do with the fact the board put the club in a very difficult position.

Don't get me wrong, I very much dislike the current board and Rossell. I also think Zubi is incredibly incompetent in his current role. But I can't blame the board in this matter. I absolutely agree with how they've handled this situation and I also agree with their point of view concerning it. Frankly, I also hope they continue to act the way they have done when it comes to the transfer and development of minors. No one can tell me that what they are doing is "illegal" regardless of what fifa says. Implementing a law that pertains to the protection of minors and banning Barca because of the their current transfer practices when it comes to foreign minors is ludicrous. This law is idiotic and should have been amended a long time ago --- not just for Barca but any other club that brings in young players and does so in a responsible manner. Putting a ban on the club over the Neymar case would have made more sense than this. I'm positive that in the end this will be over-turned AND the law will be amended as a result.
 
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Flavia

Guest
Don't get me wrong, I very much dislike the current board and Rossell. I also think Zubi is incredibly incompetent in his current role. But I can't blame the board in this matter. I absolutely agree with how they've handled this situation and I also agree with their point of view concerning it. Frankly, I also hope they continue to act the way they have done when it comes to the transfer and development of minors. No one can tell me that what they are doing is "illegal" regardless of what fifa says. Implementing a law that pertains to the protection of minors and banning Barca because of the their current transfer practices when it comes to minors is ludicrous. This law is idiotic and should have been amended a long time ago --- not just for Barca but any other club that brings in young players and does so in a responsible manner. Putting a ban on the club over the Neymar case would have made more sense than this. I'm positive that in the end this will be over-turned AND the law will be amended as a result.

I agree the law is idiotic. But that doesn't matter. It's fifa. A corrupt entity. But they are the ones making the laws. And as long as it is the law, if you don't respect it, you get punished. What they should had done was to push harder for the law to change, before deciding to brake it because they didn't agree with it. And again, the problem was only with foreign minors. Lee and others... La Masia would've survived without those signings.

And even if they stood their ground anyway, why the heck didn't they sign the gk and cb Barça desperately needs for so long, If a ban could happen? And they knew it could happen. That's negligence with the team. Imagine if the ban isn't suspended and Barça has to play with Pinto next season? And no new cb. Let that sink in for a minute.
 

ebieymjunior

Senior Member
I agree the law is idiotic. But that doesn't matter. It's fifa. A corrupt entity. But they are the ones making the laws. And as long as it is the law, if you don't respect it, you get punished. What they should had done was to push harder for the law to change, before deciding to brake it because they didn't agree with it. And again, the problem was only with foreign minors. Lee and others... La Masia would've survived without those signings.

And even if they stood their ground anyway, why the heck didn't they sign the gk and cb Barça desperately needs for so long, If a ban could happen? And they knew it could happen. That's negligence with the team. Imagine if the ban isn't suspended and Barça has to play with Pinto next season? And no new cb. Let that sink in for a minute.

Again, agree with what you say, but let's be optimistic (yet realistic) for the moment, as it is the ban is most likely to be revised (whether abandoned or lightened). Let's not lose focus on the end of the season.
 

ebieymjunior

Senior Member
To be truthful, a big reason why I don't want changes is the fact that there's been so many these past couple of years, and it really hurts the team.
But yeah, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right? :)
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
You're not following, I guess. They were breaking a law, and knowing that very well. Still did it, thinking they'd be "excused". And of course they knew the ban was possible, but chose to ignored it. '13 summer was the time to sign at least a cb and ter Stegen. Fifa is not clueless... they just chose Barça to make an example of it. Which better club, than the one who relies so much in their cantera, and have a top one? There's nothing to blame Fifa for here. If you break a law, you're the one responsible. It doesn't matter if you think the law and the ones who made it are stupid.

I am not denying that we broke the rules, of course it should have been handled better. Inexcasable. But after it happened, what could we have done to mitigate the risks?

And for FIFA to play dumb and to continue to request info on the players AFTER they decided to sanction us, and to hide their decision for 5 months is also inexcusable.
 

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