FinBarcelonafan
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Everyone thought Bayern was rebuilding and they came back in one season. You never know. Barca was "done" after 7-0 vs Bayern, then came back in two seasons.
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Everyone thought Bayern was rebuilding and they came back in one season. You never know. Barca was "done" after 7-0 vs Bayern, then came back in two seasons.
Time for this senior lot to bounce back in Europe is long gone. That opportunity was in 2019 against Liverpool with a 3-0 lead going into the 2nd leg and we all know how that ended. Maybe if things go our way they can squeeze out another league title, but nothing more.
Hope you're right. If he can do that alone he deserves to have status built for him. Set up a good foundation for the next board and Xavi or whomever comes after him.
FinBarcelonafan
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Oh the seniors are def. Done. I think Alba/Pique/Messi still has something to give but Raki/Suarez/Busi and Vidal should be all gone for sure.
My point was, Bayern turned around their team much quicker than expected, Robben and Ribery just left and now they are on top again. It can happen fast but it can go bad too, like United..
Bayern still have Neuer, Boateng, Lewandowski, Muller, Alaba and Thiago as key players. All those players have been at Bayern for years and are over the age of 28. Even our seniors that may have a bit more to give are around 33. We need to replace the majority of our starting XI. Bayern for as much as they have recruited and scouted well, still have many of the same players from yesteryear playing important roles. Don't think we have that luxury.
FinBarcelonafan
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That's true. Our core is just too old overall. Basically no players in the prime age, maybe Coutinho and Griezmann.
Donauwelle
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It is how Flick has imported again a functioning pressing and passing system what makes this interesting. He took the established players that learned their "trade" and positional play with van Gaal, Heynckes, Pep into a central axis - gave them a lot trust and responsibility and pushed them into the central axis. M?ller, Kimmich and Alaba are the most vocal on the pitch and especially during the Covid games you really saw how much influence they have to the others. At the beginning - whenever Flick made substitutions too early in a match (or the wrong ones) - it got really shaky. The system lives of the positional play. Class work from the fitness team, too - especially during the Corona weeks. They started to work at home via video conferences every day - with equipment the club delivered to them - two days after the break was announced.
Take Pique as example - or Busquets - they are players that excelled in your old systems - but when that does not get followed anymore and it is more and more just about individualism and too many new players come in that aren't educated in it that breaks and makes them less valuable. Then other qualities might get more important. It is the same with some of Bayern's players.
That about the system. Everything else - the personal qualities Hansi Flick has - are more like that from Jupp Heynckes. He really formed a team out of them.
Edit: About Thiago. During Pep's time he was always hanging behind others when it meant physical performances. But that changed 3 or 4 years ago. Since then he worked with a personal trainer in addition to his work in the club and really benefitted from that. He is no Goretzka as he is not as speedy - and no non-stop-runner with an endurance like a rabbit like Kimmich or M?ller - but his numbers aren't bad either.
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Xaviniesta
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plays like xavi
Marshall D Teach
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Wonder if he'll turn out to be a late bloomer like Xavi. He was always great but his injuries held him back from truly living up to his potential.
Messigician
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He's 30 lol too late
I just dont get it, do you guys just think that if a player is in the bundesliga he doesn't exist...? He's been world class, one of the best midfielders, for years now (and no I'm not just saying this because of this year's CL, check this thread I've said it countless of times before)....
Him bitch slapping Barcelona wasn't enough to convince you that he's made it?
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