Thiago Translantara

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
If Man United has a great CL campaign and Thiago bosses the midfield then maybe. Let's hope Xavi gets injured :p Nah that would be bad

:facepalm:

I would never hope that Xavi or any current members of the Spain teams gets injured.

Thiago should prove himself by edging out any of the guys from the current squad instead of getting a free ticket if someone is injured.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
So who is going to replace Xavi when he is old and out of form? Who? Cesc??

We don't always have to play with a "next Xavi". If Thiago does move on, then the team will simply evolve to not rely on that exact kind of player and we'll change the midfield dynamic somewhat, spreading the roles equally to more players. IMO that's what we should be going closer to anyway, not having a single player be the source of our entire passing game.
 

Jadentheman

Active member
We don't always have to play with a "next Xavi". If Thiago does move on, then the team will simply evolve to not rely on that exact kind of player and we'll change the midfield dynamic somewhat, spreading the roles equally to more players. IMO that's what we should be going closer to anyway, not having a single player be the source of our entire passing game.

DonAndres, if Thiago does move to United will you still watch his games? :D You seem like a big fan
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
DonAndres, if Thiago does move to United will you still watch his games? :D You seem like a big fan

I think you're just referring to my avatar with your assumption that I'm a Thiago fanboy :lol:

I do enjoy watching him and have big hopes for him at both club and NT level. I'll watch his games (not every single one) and track his progress if he moves to United. That being said I'm not raging over the whole situation currently because I understand his choice, even if it's hasty.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
We don't always have to play with a "next Xavi". If Thiago does move on, then the team will simply evolve to not rely on that exact kind of player and we'll change the midfield dynamic somewhat, spreading the roles equally to more players. IMO that's what we should be going closer to anyway, not having a single player be the source of our entire passing game.

It certainly sounds good on paper, but I am afraid it is easier said than done. We saw how horrid our midfield was in the past 12/13 season when Xavi was either out injured or out of form. I just fear that this transition will be long and costly, perhaps costing us all three titles.
 

Jadentheman

Active member
It certainly sounds good on paper, but I am afraid it is easier said than done. We saw how horrid our midfield was in the past 12/13 season when Xavi was either out injured or out of form. I just fear that this transition will be long and costly, perhaps costing us all three titles.

Move Messi to midfield and have an in prime Neymar lead the attack. I don't see what the problem would be?
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
It certainly sounds good on paper, but I am afraid it is easier said than done. We saw how horrid our midfield was in the past 12/13 season when Xavi was either out injured or out of form. I just fear that this transition will be long and costly, perhaps costing us all three titles.

Seeing how bad we were without a properly functioning Xavi, don't you want to move away from that over-reliance? It's like Messi-dependencia. We depend on a single player for a job and when that player isn't present, the job can't be done. Easy way out would be to continuously look for replacements for that player but there's never a guarantee you'll find one with the same quality level or skillset. The smart long term option is to move away from relying on the specialist and work on improving as a collective.

Right now the entire team is in a dead-wood state because of our unbelievable over-reliance on specialist players. Busquets is the set pivot, Xavi is the set regista/orchestrator, Messi the set goalscorer, etc. If that cog is missing, the entire machine collapses. The perfect team is one where any single player can do the job of others with equal ability. That is a key factor of total football, it's not just about movement or passing. Obviously we can't have every player being exactly as good as the other in every single way (i.e no other player on the team would be as good a goalscorer as Messi) but we can spread the burden out over some players. That means not having a single designated goalscorer, not having a single pass master, not having a single strictly attacking fullback and another strictly defensive one. That creates proper team balance and less over-reliance on specific players and ultimately leads to the benefit of everyone.
 

Jadentheman

Active member
It's not total football, it's tiki taka. A mix (IMO) of total football and South American style made catered for European play (Spain)
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Seeing how bad we were without a properly functioning Xavi, don't you want to move away from that over-reliance? It's like Messi-dependencia. We depend on a single player for a job and when that player isn't present, the job can't be done. Easy way out would be to continuously look for replacements for that player but there's never a guarantee you'll find one with the same quality level or skillset. The smart long term option is to move away from relying on the specialist and work on improving as a collective.

Right now the entire team is in a dead-wood state because of our unbelievable over-reliance on specialist players. Busquets is the set pivot, Xavi is the set regista/orchestrator, Messi the set goalscorer, etc. If that cog is missing, the entire machine collapses. The perfect team is one where any single player can do the job of others with equal ability. That is a key factor of total football, it's not just about movement or passing. Obviously we can't have every player being exactly as good as the other in every single way (i.e no other player on the team would be as good a goalscorer as Messi) but we can spread the burden out over some players. That means not having a single designated goalscorer, not having a single pass master, not having a single strictly attacking fullback and another strictly defensive one. That creates proper team balance and less over-reliance on specific players and ultimately leads to the benefit of everyone.

Again, it makes a lot of sense on paper, not sure how to implement it though. Any ideas?
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Again, it makes a lot of sense on paper, not sure how to implement it though. Any ideas?

-If Neymar works out, he brings us a step closer to eradicating total Messi-dependencia. Same with Deulofeu. Both have the ability to disrupt opposition defenses and score/assist thus alleviating some pressure off of Messi for goalscoring. Both of the wingers need to offer more in terms of workrate and movement without the ball though.

-Defensively we shouldn't completely go with Alba attacking and Montoya defending in the future. Give both the ability to bomb forward as they please but make sure they do it at the correct time with discipline and sense so that it's efficient and extremely useful (like Lahm and Alaba at Bayern)

-In midfield we give Busquets more freedom to start attacks and get involved in our passing sequences and allow him to venture forward at times, he has a lot to offer with his technical ability it just hasn't been used. Iniesta can learn to drop deeper at times to help dictate play, same with Cesc who really needs to work on his footwork and learn to be a quicker passer. Song is a great utility player both defensively and as a CM. For the future we have Rafinha to provide flair and skill, he'll be suited to the system as an advanced midfielder who can also fall back and keep possession. Even later than that, Samper is coming up through the ranks with a lot to offer.

We have the players who have an extensive enough skillset to pull this off. They just need to learn to be more versatile and well rounded. The system needs to be dictating how they learn/play, not the other way around. If they can develop into amazing, interchangeable team players then their individual brilliance will more easily shine through as well.
 

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