Thiago Translantara

jamrock

Senior Member
good post by donandres.

anyways I dont know why people keep saying he got minutes and started this and that. THE FACTS showed most of his minutes, game after the 70th minutes in games.

Showed this in the gab marcotti article way back then.

Tito showed little trust in him and thats why he left, simple as.

he could have left a millions times, since the age of 15 and at all time he stayed, because he clearly believed he could develop and have a career at barca, TITO changed all that in 12 months.
 

Paganinisrvnge

New member
I mostly blame tito. I wish him the best and respect what he's done for the club but he was a fucking terrible manager. He is solely responsible for letting Thiago leave. All he had to do was play him like 3 or 4 matches when the league was done. He waited until the last 10 minutes to make any changes ever. If it weren't for Messi magic, Tito would go down as the worst Barcelona manager in quite some time. It's sad that he got sick but I'm glad he's not the manager anymore.
 

MessiDinho10

New member
He made errors in his time here but it's obviously not a huge indicator for a young player. Every transfer has a push and pull factor, his was no different. Pep was the pull factor that brought him to Bayern specifically, but it didn't push him out of the club.

What did push him out was Tito. Thiago's playing time was erratic and often irrelevant. He AT LEAST deserved the consideration of the manager to play in a few meaningless league games after we had already won the title to keep the buyout from being as low as it was, it would've showed some sort of belief and desire for him to stay. It's myth to say that he had some sort of bratty attitude and wanted more than he deserved while our other players were firing it up on a regular basis. Cesc was having his 2nd half season syndrome, Xavi was overplayed to the point of fatigue and painkillers (which, yes is a big deal) and showed no impressive form of his own. Iniesta was our only consistently awesome midfielder last season.

Thiago himself was 5th in our MOTM thread (3rd in the chart dividing votes by playing time) which is a fairly consensus opinion, check the archives for yourself. Those who said he showed nothing to deserve more playing time last season are fooling themselves. He had brilliant matches vs Athletic, Espanyol, Zaragoza, Deportivo, Getafe, and a few other decent ones. He warranted trust and was fully capable of handling himself apart from some bad moments. All the hate and mention of isolated errors came in the summer when the transfer speculation started.

In the end he didn't even leave because of ONE season of less than desirable playing time partly due to injury. This wasn't a case of him "wanting to be undisputed starter without earning it blah blah blah", he just wanted more faith and effort from the coach to give him a role of importance rather than cast him off as "reserve player" or "4th best". He left because there was little effort from the coach to incorporate or trust him, and that itself is damn obvious. Tito's words: "I can't promise him anymore playing time" and nothing after that to try and get him to stay. He said that despite Xavi continuing to age, despite Thiago being a massive prospect for us, and despite the fact that he did play well. He couldn't even give him enough minutes to keep him at the club ffs! That's horrible management. Pep's words: "Thiago is the only one I want". It doesn't take a Nobel Prize winner to tell which manager had more faith in him, and look how well that's payed off. Thiago's talent was nurtured and now he's shining for Bayern and even with the NT vs. Italy. He's not undisputed starter for Bayern (other than what he's EARNED) and he's constantly saying how happy he is there. This is in a midfield which is more competitive and has much more depth than ours, goes to show how much of an impact coaching had to do in his move.

It was very short-sighted to restrict his playing time off of a pea-brained seniority system that leaves no competition for starting places and just hands it to the veterans. Calling him a reserve shows how the distribution of games was based solely off of reputation and peak quality, not taking into account factors such as fatigue, age, form, player trajectory, etc. which is what any professional management should be doing. After that, it was taken a step further in arrogance with the whole "Can't promise him anything about the future" as if that's a sign of bending to his will. He had earned more trust for the next season, he wasn't just asking for it without working which is what the high and mighty "no one is bigger than the club" mantra would suggest.

Thiago isn't exactly a rooted loyalist but it's a joke to expect that of anyone in modern football (Xavi himself was near a Milan move at one point). He had ambition and a desire to grow, but with Tito and the coaching staff neglecting him so clearly I don't blame him for wanting to find his way somewhere else. It's a shame because Tata would eventually take over and he would've given him trust but that's a matter of hindsight.

Good post, I agree with every single point.
 

psychotsek

Member
Great post but we should also blame the one who so badly wanted to sign Cesc in the first place. I don't know if it was Pep or the board but with this decision they made clear they don't have faith in him .
 
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linetty

Guest
We would've been much better with him now. He's the flair we need in the midfield. Oh, well.
 

Hamzah

High Definition Member
Yeah, you are right. He's a level ahead

what the hell. hewas here last season and its clear that iniesta, cesc and even off form xavi are all much better. thiago obviously has potential but not mature enough to dictate a game for barca.
 
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linetty

Guest
Do you watch the games? He looks so hungry, quick and his attitude is just blazing! They are of course better because of their experience, but Thiago looks really special. Not only efficient but incredibly effective. They way he carries the ball...cannot be described
 

Cruijffista

SOY ANTIMADRIDISTA
Thiago looks very composed right now. He's finally got over his injury and really starting to show his class in Germany.

It was a big mistake to let him go. We were grooming him to be Xavi's replacement for 9 years and were forced to sell him because Tito didn't have any trust in him. He should have played more last season, no doubt about it. We were forced to sell Thiago for like 20M while Real Sociedad got much more than that for Illarramendi.

On another note, I think Thiago has won the starting CM spot for La Roja. What's fair is fair and he's playing better than Xavi on a consistent basis right now.
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Thiago looks very composed right now. He's finally got over his injury and really starting to show his class in Germany.

It was a big mistake to let him go. We were grooming him to be Xavi's replacement for 9 years and were forced to sell him because Tito didn't have any trust in him. He should have played more last season, no doubt about it. We were forced to sell Thiago for like 20M while Real Sociedad got much more than that for Illarramendi.

On another note, I think Thiago has won the starting CM spot for La Roja. What's fair is fair and he's playing better than Xavi on a consistent basis right now.

That's absurd. He's not better than Xavi and he hasn't earned a starting spot for the NT, I hope you're trolling. But I'll tell you this, I think he is traveling to Brazil and I do think he's doing well in Bayern and that we should have played him more and trusted him more so he would have stayed.
 

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