Thomas Muller

[Devils]

That's not what he said. He said that if there's an objective way to count football worth to show him.
That means he believes robben is better, not that he just likes him more.

Well then, I'm stumped.

We could just pretend like pre-2012/2013 Robben didn't exist to help him out a bit. But even with that it's still an impossible scenario.

You hit hardest of all

*Pedro supporter since day one*

 

[Luftstalag14]

That's not what he said. He said that if there's an objective way to count football worth to show him.
That means he believes robben is better, not that he just likes him more.

And what's wrong with that??

Despite how many of us Cules feel about Messi, GOAT or not, there are many people who have different opinions and there is nothing wrong with that. You can't just make everyone think like you, or consider those who do are wrong.

I hate to see that people who do not buy into the mainstream viewpoint (on a forum or just in general) getting bullied so that they have to conform to the majority/mainstream view, and this applies to everything.

 

[Vlom]

And what's wrong with that??

Despite how many of us Cules feel about Messi, GOAT or not, there are many people who have different opinions and there is nothing wrong with that. You can't just make everyone think like you, or consider those who do are wrong.

I hate to see that people who do not buy into the mainstream viewpoint (on a forum or just in general) getting bullied so that they have to conform to the majority/mainstream view, and this applies to everything.

No one is calling for his head Luft lol

But claiming Robben is better than Messi definitely warrants a bit of answers like the ones he got, especially on a barça forum, that's all.

He's totally free to be wrong, and we're totally free to tell him he is.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

And what's wrong with that??

Despite how many of us Cules feel about Messi, GOAT or not, there are many people who have different opinions and there is nothing wrong with that. You can't just make everyone think like you, or consider those who do are wrong.

I hate to see that people who do not buy into the mainstream viewpoint (on a forum or just in general) getting bullied so that they have to conform to the majority/mainstream view, and this applies to everything.

I'm sry but what you are saying is plain wrong.
Some opinions are wrong and others are right, there are people who believe some flavor of the month pop idol makes better music than BB King.
Is it their right to believe that or have that music taste? Absolutely.
Are they factually wrong? You are damn right they are.

 

[spark]

i hate his face

Pretty much.

 

[Flavia]

And what's wrong with that??

Despite how many of us Cules feel about Messi, GOAT or not, there are many people who have different opinions and there is nothing wrong with that. You can't just make everyone think like you, or consider those who do are wrong.

I hate to see that people who do not buy into the mainstream viewpoint (on a forum or just in general) getting bullied so that they have to conform to the majority/mainstream view, and this applies to everything.

No one should be bullied, surely. People also can like a player more than other too. But bold statements need back up. And it's not like Messi being the best is somehow subjective. If by some reason Messi decided to go to bayern, I doubt that notion of robben being better would stand. I'm aware many people don't like Messi and dismiss him for many reasons, from him "not being genuine", to "he only played in one league", or "he needs xavi-iniesta to shine", and those are all bogus. And c'mon, robben a better player?

 

[Luftstalag14]

I'm sry but what you are saying is plain wrong.
Some opinions are wrong and others are right, there are people who believe some flavor of the month pop idol makes better music than BB King.
Is it their right to believe that or have that music taste? Absolutely.
Are they factually wrong? You are damn right they are.

I disagree. No matter how much we think Messi is better than Robben (and for that matter any other footballer, and I certainly agree personally), this is an opinion, a preference, not a fact that is black and white. Opinion/preference can be challenged, but it can't be called out as right/wrong. This is what I believe.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

I disagree. No matter how much we think Messi is better than Robben (and for that matter any other footballer, and I certainly agree personally), this is an opinion, a preference, not a fact that is black and white. Opinion/preference can be challenged, but it can't be called out as right/wrong. This is what I believe.

Yes we disagree then because I believe it's a black/white fact.

 

[Luftstalag14]

No one should be bullied, surely. People also can like a player more than other too. But bold statements need back up. And it's not like Messi being the best is somehow subjective. If by some reason Messi decided to go to bayern, I doubt that notion of robben being better would stand. I'm aware many people don't like Messi and dismiss him for many reasons, from him "not being genuine", to "he only played in one league", or "he needs xavi-iniesta to shine", and those are all bogus. And c'mon, robben a better player?

I certainly don't disagree with you on the merits of the argument, Flavia, not at all, of course. However, I don't like the fact that folks seemed to be ganging up on Crews for his opinion that he prefers Robben, or he thinks Robben is better.

 

[raki]

duude, you should demand commission from ajax and eindhoven

Groningen.

 

[Flavia]

I disagree. No matter how much we think Messi is better than Robben (and for that matter any other footballer, and I certainly agree personally), this is an opinion, a preference, not a fact that is black and white. Opinion/preference can be challenged, but it can't be called out as right/wrong. This is what I believe.

It is a fact, lufts. thiago silva is a better cb than mathieu. Danilo is a better rb than douglas. cr is better than bale. Those are not opinions, but facts. Same about Messi and robben.

I certainly don't disagree with you on the merits of the argument, Flavia, not at all, of course. However, I don't like the fact that folks seemed to be ganging up on Crews for his opinion that he prefers Robben, or he thinks Robben is better.

I didn't see anyone ganging up. But it's also not nice to throw the comment, without back up, and then say he doesn't want to talk about it. why mention it in the first place then? Just to get people curious, or riled up?

 

[Vlom]

Luft you've been Bayern and BM's fans biggest advocate in here since the draw.. are you a mole ?

Just joking mate, but I second Flavia ofc, Messi > Robben is not an opinion, it's an axiom.

 

[Crews]

I never said that Robben is better than Messi or vice versa, I only indicated that for me the only truth is that which can be measured. Therefore I don't rate players since the equation of such comparison involves feelings and humans making it irrelevant for me. I leave the GOAT-conversation for 12 year olds playing fifa. I apologize if my view of the world has caused any unnecessary pain to anyone involved on this thread.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

See, we figured you are a troll from the get go.
Passive aggressive trolls are the worst.

 

[Alen]

I never said that Robben is better than Messi or vice versa, I only indicated that for me the only truth is that which can be measured. Therefore I don't rate players since the equation of such comparison involves feelings and humans making it irrelevant for me. I leave the GOAT-conversation for 12 year olds playing fifa. I apologize if my view of the world has caused any unnecessary pain to anyone involved on this thread.

You can say whatever you want man, no matter how strange it is (sorry i had to ).