JamDav1982
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So we include German Super Cup games and CL QFs and WC last 16 as 'big games'?
Fair enough, I bet plenty of players have records that can compare in that respect.
Thomas Muller
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So we include German Super Cup games and CL QFs and WC last 16 as 'big games'?
Fair enough, I bet plenty of players have records that can compare in that respect.
i do remember that final actually, he scored what should have been the winning goal and played well throughout the game.
about the semis, i agree with you, there are many factors in a loss but usually it's because the other team was better than you.
the main point is that he has performed well in several big matches and deserves the big game player label.
about the semis, i agree with you, there are many factors in a loss but usually it's because the other team was better than you.
the main point is that he has performed well in several big matches and deserves the big game player label.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Schweinsteiger is a box to box midfielder, he should have never been compared to Xavi and Iniesta. Different types of players. If anything he should be compared to Busquets, but even that is a bit of stretch.
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Ryu Hayabusa
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I cant understand why anyone would take offense from being compared to a feminist.
He was obviously referring to a very specific type of feminist, who, by many, are considered a blight upon society
There is nothing wrong with having a moderate feminist attitute ofc.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Well, they are big games to me when important things are at stake (CL and WC quater and semi-finals are routes to the final, right?), feel free to disagree. I only threw in Super Cup because that was for a trophy after all and it was against BVB so I vividly remember.
Leo_Messi
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Come on. Are Ferraris "utter shit when it comes to quality control and reliability"?
It's a myth that is propagandized by people who have never owned a Ferrari in their life and who will likely never afford to buy one in the first place.
Anyway Neymar is clearly the more talented player compared to Müller and as much a "big game player" as you can get.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
But when its broken down to goals scored to show he had a good game then he has scored in one CL final against a poor Chelsea and not scored in other two and also not scored/assisted in WC final or played well.
While it could be second year in row he fails in 4 CL semi final games.
I agree he has delivered in some big games but this idea he is the definition of a big game player. Not for me.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Big games but not the biggest.
Generally it seems to me big game players are remembered for what they have done in the biggest finals or semi finals.
Iniesta for example still has that tag yet for that reason.
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Ryu Hayabusa
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It's not a myth. It was the same with Lamborghini until it was bought by Volkswagen. Fiat is also probably really reliable and comes with good quality control compared to a Toyota, right?
You will probably never find imperfect seams on your leather seats in an Audi Q8, but have a good chance of finding exactly that in your Ferrari Modena.
I actually sat in several sport cars btw, as a good friend of mine owns several AMGs, Audi RSs and regularly takes me with him to (officially sanctioned) quarter mile races.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
JamDave, who is the biggest big game player for you, out of curiosity?
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No idea. Think it is a sweeping title that doesnt really fit anyone.
In terms of performance would say Xavi, Messi, Ronaldo etc all far ahead of Muller for performing in big games.
Leo_Messi
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It's not a myth. It was the same with Lamborghini until it was bought by Volkswagen. Fiat is also probably really reliable and comes with good quality control compared to a Toyota, right?
You will probably never find imperfect seams on your leather seats in an Audi Q8, but have a good chance of finding exactly that in your Ferrari Modena.
I actually said in several sport cars btw, as a good friend of mine owns several AMGs, Audi RSs and regularly takes me with him to (officially sanctioned) quarter mile races.
I have never heard about Ferrari being known for their "lack of reliability and quality control". The latter is something that Ferrari is famed for throughout the world. Especially the craftsmanship.
Anyway you can't compare sports cars such as Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti etc. (a niche market in the car industry) with much bigger automobile manufacturers whose production is several times bigger.
In any case I don't buy the notion of Ferrari only being about design and speed while being of low quality otherwise.
Also the vast majority of actual Ferrari owners seem to disagree.
http://www.ferrarilife.com/forums/
Anyway we are totally off-topic.
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The thing I like about Müller is his winner mentality. He might not be the most technically gifted player out there, the quickest, the biggest goalscorer or the most intelligent player but he has a bit of everything coupled with a winner mentality and hard work. Hence his success. On the other hand many more talented players have failed to even reach their potential due to their poor mentality and lack of hard work.
Alen
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Zidane, true Ronaldo. I can't think of any recent ones.
Bran the Greenseer
Member
Iniesta will always be the ultimate big game player in my eyes, he hasnt actually always played well in big games but I'm glossing over that because of 2009 and 2010 and the sheer awesomeness those goals were.
Back on muller I always thought of him as a big game player cause of his WC showings and the 2012 and 2013 champions league but I suppose Neymar has been just as good (WC) and even better (Club level) in terms of stats vs big teams. Neymar has also only been playing in europe for 2 years so he hasnt had the oppoutunity to score a cl final goal. Easy to forget how young he is and that not everyone is Iniesta winning everything possible at the age of 24.
Back on muller I always thought of him as a big game player cause of his WC showings and the 2012 and 2013 champions league but I suppose Neymar has been just as good (WC) and even better (Club level) in terms of stats vs big teams. Neymar has also only been playing in europe for 2 years so he hasnt had the oppoutunity to score a cl final goal. Easy to forget how young he is and that not everyone is Iniesta winning everything possible at the age of 24.
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