UEFA Champions League 2015/16

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Total-Football

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their secret is simple.. Kilmometers, i have said it many times .. the more you run in football the more you close down spaces .. you can be in denial as much as you want .. but i have yet to see a team runningas much as they do and losing 3- 0 or something .. they are running like bulls closing every cm2 there.
 

gasgas

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their secret is simple.. Kilmometers, i have said it many times .. the more you run in football the more you close down spaces .. you can be in denial as much as you want .. but i have yet to see a team runningas much as they do and losing 3- 0 or something .. they are running like bulls closing every cm2 there.

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Barcaman

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Well Inter won absolutely deservedly there, 2-0 was not deceiving that day. I personally hold no grudges vs Pep, the criticism about him is very over the top. He has his flaws in terms of flexibility in the tactics department, but had he never joined Bayern then they might have gone back to a second tier team once Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Schweinsteiger etc retire. Now Bayern has a lot of great young players to fill the void.
I think Pep will be remembered similar to Van Gaal, not someone who was incredible during his reign, but someone who inherited a new Bayern that future coaches can work very well with.



That is true and that's why I would take him back. Trusting youngsters and building a team and system is something he is great at.

He did fail Bayern though. As others have said, he wasn't brought to win Bundesliga nor did he do anything that any other good coach wouldn't. Now that you mentioned Van Gaal he built the team in worse circumstances and took Bayern to CL Final. So he basically did more than pep.
 

Yannik

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their secret is simple.. Kilmometers, i have said it many times .. the more you run in football the more you close down spaces .. you can be in denial as much as you want .. but i have yet to see a team runningas much as they do and losing 3- 0 or something .. they are running like bulls closing every cm2 there.

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DennyCrane

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Don't want another all-Spain CL final.... The last two times it happened, Real won it!

Experience does help here and they have tons of it

Absolutely, logically RM would be the clear favourite and I'd prefer ManC to advance as well.

But in case the spanish final happens, there are the intangibles: Atletico will turn the intensity for that match up to eleven, they'll fight tooth and nail and use every trick in the book. And if you ask me, they'll take the trophy this year.
 

Luftstalag14

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Well Inter won absolutely deservedly there, 2-0 was not deceiving that day. I personally hold no grudges vs Pep, the criticism about him is very over the top. He has his flaws in terms of flexibility in the tactics department, but had he never joined Bayern then they might have gone back to a second tier team once Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Schweinsteiger etc retire. Now Bayern has a lot of great young players to fill the void.
I think Pep will be remembered similar to Van Gaal, not someone who was incredible during his reign, but someone who inherited a new Bayern that future coaches can work very well with.

It is true though that when desperate time came Guardiola resorted to the un-Guardiola way (if you will) of crossing, crossing and crossing to get the job done. That was how Bayern defeated Juventus and how Bayern almost eliminated Atletico today.

What is your prospect for a Bayern under Ancelotti by the way?
 

Luftstalag14

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That is true and that's why I would take him back. Trusting youngsters and building a team and system is something he is great at.

He did fail Bayern though. As others have said, he wasn't brought to win Bundesliga nor did he do anything that any other good coach wouldn't. Now that you mentioned Van Gaal he built the team in worse circumstances and took Bayern to CL Final. So he basically did more than pep.

I think partially it was the Bayern management's fault. They brought Guardiola to transform Bayern into a team that plays more like us, regardless of their characteristics and strengths. I think one should play to the strengths of the player portfolio instead of trying to impose a style on existing players.
 

Total-Football

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the numbers are in the official website .. and they spell dizaster on teams like fc barca and how lazy we are .. basically all their midfielders run more 12 km .. the scary part is Toress .. he run 12 km too !! :lol: Messi with 7 km , neymar 9 and suarez 9 = no tracking back = no runs made in the side nor in the front , we want to win games with "pure skill " yeah right good luck with that Buddy .. this is 2016 , every high level team has skilled players , if you want to take advantage of your lil extra skill , than you have to work as hard as they do for your skill to prevail. we have to push ourselves physically more ( obviously bayern too )
 

Vlom

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As long as Atletico doesn't have any injury for key players like in 2014, I don't see them losing the final, they'll be like hyper motivated!
 

Devils

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It would be INCREDIBLY cruel for Atletico to lose the final now.

Eliminating Barca and Bayern back to back over 2 legs is a feat good enough to earn the CL crown itself. No other team in the world could do what they did.
 

bismp

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If Real gets a secon CHL in 3 years,this is going to be the greatest travesty of the history
 

Yannik

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That is true and that's why I would take him back. Trusting youngsters and building a team and system is something he is great at.

He did fail Bayern though. As others have said, he wasn't brought to win Bundesliga nor did he do anything that any other good coach wouldn't. Now that you mentioned Van Gaal he built the team in worse circumstances and took Bayern to CL Final. So he basically did more than pep.

In terms of influence I think Van Gaal still outworks Guardiola. I mean all the things he contributed. Bringing in Robben (whom I personally consider one of the best wingers of all time when fit, but you might find that exagerated) and Ribery + some others, promoting Müller, moving Alaba from CDM to LB, and of course he was the guy who brought possession football to Bayern. The system was very flat in the beginning, teams figured that you can shut down Bayern simply by having 2 defenders man mark Robben and Ribery who were carrying the team.

Guardiola did very similar things, just to a less extent, bringing in Coman, Costa, Vidal, Thiago and Lewandowski etc (the latter would be an almost logical transfer though as he was worldclass and a free agent, I guess every Bayern coach would have gone for him), he also promoted Kimmch, just not to the first team yet. He didn't really evolve Bayern tactically, some thigns got better, others got worse, in the third year defending aswell as scoring crosses and set-pieces got better, but he didn't reinvent the wheel. At barca many people think he just inheritated success, but truth is that Barca looked like they were done before he took over. He sold crucial players like Dinho and Eto'o when everyone thought "wtf is he doing", bought Alves, Pique, Masch, promoted Busquets and moved Messi to the center. Also took over Aragones Tiki Taka and perfected it at Barca.

Van Gaal and Guardiola are both massive coaches with great and bad periods, but when they resign they always leave great teams behind that another coach might have tons of fun with once the tactics are right. Van gaal will do the same with ManUtd, even if they hate him now. Possessionbased football, brought Martial and Depay (don't know if the latter will click though), promoted Rashford, will eventually get fired soon, but in a couple of years United will be succesful again and the fundament of this is laid in their current shitty campaign.
 
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Jamie Cal

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We'll never hear the end of Zidane if they beat Atleti in the final. Ever.
 
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