Vinícius Júnior
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El Gato
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Bellingham turned up in every league big game
2 vs Girona
winner vs Barca
Didn't really play great in between is all even though team was clearly worse off when he wasnt around, same happens with England
Then assist in CL final, Copa vs Atleti where team was 1:2 down to take it to ET etc
Still less impactful day to day than Vini when spring considered fully
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Why is there confusion if I may ask?
I looked up and voters are asked to judge performances from august til july. Euros end basically 2 weeks into july. So then should be taken into account no?
Guess the other reason I don't get why Vinicius is seen as favourite is Bellingham was pretty impactful outside of g+a. Not only did he contribute in a similar way to Vinicius in attacking output, he was one of the best in the squad defensively too. Think that is being forgotten. Granted he's in a position to contribute in that way more than Vinicius, but then you'd say the same for Vinicius attacking-wise.
El Gato
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Till July could mean end June is the cutoff depending how you define it
But most people may intuitively count NT anyway
In which case Bellingham gets some favour while Vini drops off a bit and it's more or less even between them
Still think Kroos was the MVP anyhow and is basically a toss up between him and Rodri depending on who wins NT tourney
But most people may intuitively count NT anyway
In which case Bellingham gets some favour while Vini drops off a bit and it's more or less even between them
Still think Kroos was the MVP anyhow and is basically a toss up between him and Rodri depending on who wins NT tourney
MontenegrinCuler
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I think July is supposed to be included. Otherwise one is asked to judge a player’s performance over whole year except 1 month. Don’t see how that would make sense.
I think the description just serves to point out when the timeframe starts (August and not start of year).
El Gato
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Well you're not supposed to judge it over a whole year. It's not a calendar year award anymore so one would think July is just a vacation month you're meant to forget and 'until July' is carefully worded to include CL final and any league/domestic cup comps that nowadays spill over to early June
But again - I'm sure people will remember Euros/WCs for years to come when judging it no matter how you spin it
MontenegrinCuler
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He'll also probably retire with zero decent performances for his national team in his career. Even in a shithole that Brazil is right now a ballon d'or winner should do better than him. Stinker after stinker in every competition yet he keeps starting.
UCL is not the only competition in football. Players who are exceptional in just 1 team and just 1 competition should not be in convo with all time greats. There's a ton of ballers who are world class for their representation but average in club football, and they are usually not that lifted up - rightfully so.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Ham has been more consistent than Vini but Vini's Cl stats will probably decide the ballon dor even though normally Rodri needs to win with his EURO + Pl 🥸
El Gato
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Calma calma
Has already played well for Brazil at times, may or may not find his spot when they figure out what forward line they want to use
UCL is by some distance the most important competition in club football
Plenty players who havent achieved much outside one team
Nedved did most of his work at Juve, bar that title with Lazio not much there to see in the club game
Owen didnt win a single league title until he came off the bench aged 32
Shevchenko been woeful at Chelsea, even if that CL semi he helped get Kyiv to was impressive
Dinho rode Ronaldo and Rivaldo's luck to trophies with Brazil, bro didnt even start a single Copa America game in his entire career
Vini already is one of the best Brazillian forwards to play in Europe since the 90s
Give it another few years and see where we are then
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Windhook
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It's clear the CL trophy brings majority of the points. Whoever between Jude and Vini is, it's well deserved.
It's not Vinicius' fault Brazil are failing. He's just the scapegoat as their biggest star. Messi went through the same phase. Brazil's problem lies within the staff area - coaching is problematic.
It's not Vinicius' fault Brazil are failing. He's just the scapegoat as their biggest star. Messi went through the same phase. Brazil's problem lies within the staff area - coaching is problematic.
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I am fairly sure Brazil doesn’t have a scapegoat amongst its players. Brazil football fans somehow seem very placid and seem to have accepted they’ll never go back to heights of past or produce the players.
I think that is what 7-1 loss does with you I guess. The priority becomes simply not to relive that pain instead of achieving great successes.
But I have never read any heavy criticism towards vini regarding his football in the media. He’s pretty protected in that regard somehow
Anyway, yes Brazil team has issues. But even Rodrygo seems to outperform him. Do feel he could be doing more.
So actually it is not similar to Messi. Messi’s performances with Argentina have been held against him for a long time, even when putting in 10x the numbers vini does.
Somehow with Vini people are reluctant to bring up the NT side of things. It’s fine, but a bit strange imo.
Still, no issue with him winning Balon d’Or.
I think that is what 7-1 loss does with you I guess. The priority becomes simply not to relive that pain instead of achieving great successes.
But I have never read any heavy criticism towards vini regarding his football in the media. He’s pretty protected in that regard somehow
Anyway, yes Brazil team has issues. But even Rodrygo seems to outperform him. Do feel he could be doing more.
So actually it is not similar to Messi. Messi’s performances with Argentina have been held against him for a long time, even when putting in 10x the numbers vini does.
Somehow with Vini people are reluctant to bring up the NT side of things. It’s fine, but a bit strange imo.
Still, no issue with him winning Balon d’Or.
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