Wayne Rooney

[blueduck]

I don't doubt for a second that he would go there, but I still have my doubts about them wanting him. Imo you can't deny that Jose's teams are a bit boring to watch and I'm sure their (global) fans would get sick of it after a while and it would dent their image.

He wouldn't have a lot of cash to spend to get his type of players in either.

 

[Thought Provoking]

Without Rooney you would be a top 8 PL side. Nothing more.

Last year you weren't a one man team as you had Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo obv. Anyone who said otherwise is wrong. You will never have a team as good as that again btw, just so you know, it's downhill from here.

Interesting how his name crept in there despite the fact that he was hardly setting the league alight during his second year with United especially. But it's hardly suprising given his recent form and the fact that you support city.

They just can't compete with the likes of Barca, Madrid, Chelsea (and hopefully ourselves in the future) for the top players.

Just nonsense. Chelsea do not have as much clout as you think they do and City will still be a team of mercenaries for a good few years yet. The giants of European football - Barca, Real, Man Utd and Milan - are the biggest because they rebuild when their best players move on.

 

[blueduck]

Interesting how his name crept in there despite the fact that he was hardly setting the league alight during his second year with United especially. But it's hardly suprising given his recent form and the fact that you support city.

Tevez was a quality player who lots of goals scored goals before he even went to United. Maybe Fergie just didn't know how to manage him.

Just nonsense. Chelsea do not have as much clout as you think they do and City will still be a team of mercenaries for a good few years yet. The giants of European football - Barca, Real, Man Utd and Milan - are the biggest because they rebuild when their best players move on.

To do this needs lots of cash, where is United's going to come from?

You underestimate Chelsea btw. They do have cash and can spend if they wish to.

 

[Elite-BkD]

Tevez was a quality player who lots of goals scored goals before he even went to United. Maybe Fergie just didn't know how to manage him.

Uhm yeah, didn't he score 7 goals in 40 appearances for the two clubs he played for in the season prior to his move to United?
He's pretty good but you made it sound as though he was one of the most important players for United last season along with Rooney & Ronaldo. That just takes absurd to a whole new level.

 

[blueduck]

Don't remember saying he was one of the most important players, probably one of their better ones though and he did score a few very important goals.

Tevez scored 26 in 75 for Boca, 31 in 47 for Corinthians, 7 in 26 for West Ham (first season in a new league and new continent) and 19 in 63 for United. So yeah, he was one of their better players, but maybe not one of the most important ones.

 

[maxan10]

No one will deny that Rooney is Uniteds most influencial player on the pitch, the only thing United fans such as myself will say is that United are not over reliant on Rooney, sure he is our top scorer, but that is because he is our most consistent target man and he will score at every possible chance which just reflects his qualities as a world class striker. Every top club would like to point that they have great players in their squad, but no supporter would accept the term 'one man team' as it doesnt reflect the true nature of the teams qualities and it is pretty silly to suggest that a team contesting the highest prizes in club football is simply winning due to one person. People shouldn't discredit or undervalue players such as Fletcher, Valencia and Scholes who many united fans rate highly as much as Barca fans do Xavi and Iniesta. The best is brought out of world class players when they are surronded by world class players, for example when Tevez was with West Ham, why didn't people make the arguement that they do now about him being the sole reason for Man Citys success in the epl table, we all know that West Ham finished 15th that season despite having him in the team. Tevez made 29 appearances that season scoring only 7, thus ratifying my point that the best is brought out of players when they play with the best and Rooney contests with quality international players at United. Tevez, Rooney and players of their calibre are match changers and obviously add alot of individual qualities to any team.

 

[zanela]

People shouldn't discredit or undervalue players such as Fletcher, Valencia and Scholes who many united fans rate highly as much as Barca fans do Xavi and Iniesta.

Seriously?

The best is brought out of world class players when they are surronded by world class players, for example when Tevez was with West Ham, why didn't people make the arguement that they do now about him being the sole reason for Man Citys success in the epl table, we all know that West Ham finished 15th that season despite having him in the team. Tevez made 29 appearances that season scoring only 7, thus ratifying my point that the best is brought out of players when they play with the best and Rooney contests with quality international players at United. Tevez, Rooney and players of their calibre are match changers and obviously add alot of individual qualities to any team.

It took tevez to get started in his first season as he'd just moved to Europe. Adjusting to a new country, new league, etc takes time which explains his stats not because he wasn't surrounded my world class players. Having World-class players around you helps but not as much as you're suggesting. Guiza won the pichichi playing for Mallorca and he didn't 've WC players ard him. You need players that compliment you to bring out the best in you, worldclass or not.

 

[barcetia]

No one will deny that Rooney is Uniteds most influencial player on the pitch, the only thing United fans such as myself will say is that United are not over reliant on Rooney, sure he is our top scorer, but that is because he is our most consistent target man and he will score at every possible chance which just reflects his qualities as a world class striker. Every top club would like to point that they have great players in their squad, but no supporter would accept the term 'one man team' as it doesnt reflect the true nature of the teams qualities and it is pretty silly to suggest that a team contesting the highest prizes in club football is simply winning due to one person. People shouldn't discredit or undervalue players such as Fletcher, Valencia and Scholes who many united fans rate highly as much as Barca fans do Xavi and Iniesta. The best is brought out of world class players when they are surronded by world class players, for example when Tevez was with West Ham, why didn't people make the arguement that they do now about him being the sole reason for Man Citys success in the epl table, we all know that West Ham finished 15th that season despite having him in the team. Tevez made 29 appearances that season scoring only 7, thus ratifying my point that the best is brought out of players when they play with the best and Rooney contests with quality international players at United. Tevez, Rooney and players of their calibre are match changers and obviously add alot of individual qualities to any team.

I'm sure Boca fans rated Gago as highly as we rate Xavi but Xavi is way superior. Don't forget the CL final where Xavi & Iniesta schooled them in posession play.

 

[Metaphysical]

I think what maxan was trying to say (because I refuse to believe anyone would claim fletcher, valencia and 2010 era scholes as anywhere near xavi and iniesta's level - it's just that absurd) was that those players make the kind of unseen quiet contributions to united's success as xavi and iniesta make to ours.

at least that's what I hope he was saying.

otherwise he's just utterly insane.

 

[Elite-BkD]

Don't remember saying he was one of the most important players, probably one of their better ones though and he did score a few very important goals.

Tevez scored 26 in 75 for Boca, 31 in 47 for Corinthians, 7 in 26 for West Ham (first season in a new league and new continent) and 19 in 63 for United. So yeah, he was one of their better players, but maybe not one of the most important ones.

Well what you said was this:

"Last year you weren't a one man team as you had Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo obv."

That does give the distinct impression that you'd consider Tevez among their key players. He wasn't, and he wasn't really one of their best either. Consider Giggs, Fletcher, Scholes, Vidic, Ferdinand, Van der Sar..etc.

 

[maxan10]

Seriously?



It took tevez to get started in his first season as he'd just moved to Europe. Adjusting to a new country, new league, etc takes time which explains his stats not because he wasn't surrounded my world class players. Having World-class players around you helps but not as much as you're suggesting. Guiza won the pichichi playing for Mallorca and he didn't 've WC players ard him. You need players that compliment you to bring out the best in you, worldclass or not.

The same applies with the influx of new Madrid players, such as Kaka who initially didnt have the impact which many anticipated but now has adjusted to the Real way of play. But then again, adjusting from the PL which tends to be played in superior pace with more physicality to the La Liga, didnt prove too much difficult for Ronaldo, did it? The point I was making was to those which like to be critical of a team dispite lacking understanding of what a team performance is. The same arguement against Man Utd in 2007/2008 of United being wholly dependant on Ronaldo was also discredited when people actually attempted to widen the picture.

 

[maxan10]

I think what maxan was trying to say (because I refuse to believe anyone would claim fletcher, valencia and 2010 era scholes as anywhere near xavi and iniesta's level - it's just that absurd) was that those players make the kind of unseen quiet contributions to united's success as xavi and iniesta make to ours.

at least that's what I hope he was saying.

otherwise he's just utterly insane.

I don't like to undervalue my teams players , but Iniesta and Xavi, particularly Xavi I believe is better technically than any of our midfielders, thats a fact which most would agree on, and Iniesta is more versatile than Valencia etc, but I won't go into a toe to toe battle of comparisons
Your understanding of my point was the right one

 

[Jordzibob]

Sigh. I think I've posted this around 4 times now, bored of Man Utd fans.

Ducky is right, your a shockingly average team offensively without Rooney. I personally dont know why Utd fans are settling for it, I'd be so ******* off if I was a Utd fan. You wasted £30 million on Berbatov and that is the only reason he was chosen over Tevez last year. You had two players who were not playing well, but one of them worked his socks off for the team while the other stood there. Like a big lazy waste of money. What's really bizarre is that Ferguson didnt even need to spend that money on Berbatov. Tevez Ronaldo and Rooney worked brilliantly first season round, buy a cheap back up striker and actually strengthen the worst part of the team, the midfield. Anderson-pretty poor-had alot of potential aswell, Carrick-average, Scholes-someone explain this joker to me? I think he's the only professional footballer I've ever seen who doesnt know how to tackle. If he's that ignorant of how to do it then he shoudlnt be on a football field until he learns. Either that or he's a malicious little **** who goes in to hurt and injure people. You can choose, either way, he's holding back the team and long past his best. Giggs isnt a CM, and although he plays well in that role against weaker sides you put him against someone like Barca and he gets pwned, its not his natural position. Valencia and Park-not really the best are they? Alright players, I'll give you that, but come on, they arent anywhere near the standard Utd should have. Beckham, Ronaldo, Giggs-to name three, then...oh. Park and Valencia. They do their job. But other than that....

Berbatov and Owen are really not good enough for Utd. Owen wasnt a gamble because you didnt pay anything for him but he's long past his best, Madrid ruined him, sell him off to someone like Tottenham at the end of the season. Berbatov-lazy, nowhere near as good as he was at Tottenham, your not even getting half of 30 million if you try to sell him now because he just doesnt do anything. You could have spent that money on the midfield, been stronger for it, and not got pwned in the CL final. They are embarrasingly poor partners for someone with Rooneys quality, he deserves better.

Vidic-great defender, but along comes a fast striker and he just looks like a moron. I have no explanation of how poor Ferdinand has been recently. Its bizarre. Evra is quality, and I like Rafael and Fabio, but O Shea is average at best. They also need a keeper, a decent young one, because at some point soon VDS is gonna run out of steam...

Its poor, not good enough by my reckoning if I was a Utd fan. They had the chance to spend and they didnt.

 

[blueduck]

The best is brought out of world class players when they are surronded by world class players, for example when Tevez was with West Ham, why didn't people make the arguement that they do now about him being the sole reason for Man Citys success in the epl table, we all know that West Ham finished 15th that season despite having him in the team. Tevez made 29 appearances that season scoring only 7, thus ratifying my point that the best is brought out of players when they play with the best and Rooney contests with quality international players at United. Tevez, Rooney and players of their calibre are match changers and obviously add alot of individual qualities to any team.

So who do consider world class in our team then?

Because Tevez is playing better here than he ever did at United... so if your theory is correct, we have better players now than United did then? :hmmm:

 

[Jordzibob]

Without Rooney Man Utd are so far behind City offensively its laughable, it really is.