Wayne Rooney

[silky_soccer]

But that's the thing, Nani and Anderson have both failed to live up to their potential! I wouldn't be surprised if United sold them on soon. Then there's Macheda who had the huge hype but has disappeared off the radar just as i predicted him too. Rafael and Fabio - them being twins I just don't see both of them succeeding, especially since one of them is so far ahead of the other. I don't think lighting will strike twice in the same spot. Stupid reason, i suppose. There is hope yet for Wellbeck who I am sure will become a top player, and Obertan is a bit like their pedro.
As for Milan, the difference is that at Milan you already have players who are past the hype and right in the action. Who are young but still developing. Pato and Thiago Silva are both in solid positions that the Manchester United hopes are very far from attaining. Then they have Astori who already has plenty of Serie A experience and is a solid CB, and of course Paloschi who also has Serie A experience. Just as United do, Milan have a base of youth players but most of these are playing out on loan.

The only reason that Pato and Silva have had so muc game time is because they dont ave competition really for players, where as man utd do.

Evans - Ferdinand, Vidic
Fabio - Evra
Gibson - Fletcher, Carrick, Scholes
Anderson - Fletcher, Carrick, Scholes
Nani - Giggs, CR9(before he left), Valencia
Obertan - Giggs, Nani, Valencia
Macheda, Wellbeck, Diouf - Rooney, Owen, Berbatov
(These Players they are competing with are mostly in their prime or are still performing very well)

Macheda is 17? mibby 18 now? believe me he as not fallen off the radar, e may not be getting as many first team chances but he has been very successful in thhe reserves, wont be long until he is back in te first team full time,

Anyway my point is, United are a successful side recently, just like barca, so the youth have fewer chances to Shine, Where as Milan ave fallen from grace, so there younger players replace the players who arent up to scratch...

 

[silky_soccer]

No, now it's all about Rooney.

Hes getting most of the plaudits, for obvious reasons, but they attack as a TEAM, not through one player, who constantly wants the attentin on him, Like CR9, so rooney maybe scoring the majority, but it isnt all about him.

 

[beef-supreme]

It doesn't make a difference, Pato and Silva are the future of the team, and they're already part of the project. That will advance them hugely vs. the United equivalents. Also, Ferdinand has played a grand total of 3 games since October 2009, Vidic likewise has only appeared once or twice this year!! Anderson was fully integrated into the squad but everyone saw how bad he was, he cost United the CL final if you ask me. Anderson also is injured now and it will hamper his hopes.
Nani plays on the opposite side to Valencia and Giggs often makes sub appearances because he's old. You could make your Nani argument for Obertan but not for Nani.
Owen is only a bit-part player at United, nothing more than a squad player.

There is hardly that much competition in the United squad and that's what has been striking me this season.
I don't understand how 2nd in the Serie A qualifies as fallen from grace.

 

[beef-supreme]

Hes getting most of the plaudits, for obvious reasons, but they attack as a TEAM, not through one player, who constantly wants the attentin on him, Like CR9, so rooney maybe scoring the majority, but it isnt all about him.

Rooney = the CR9 of United this season. He scores virtually every one of their goals just as CR did.

 

[silky_soccer]

It doesn't make a difference, Pato and Silva are the future of the team, and they're already part of the project. That will advance them hugely vs. the United equivalents. Also, Ferdinand has played a grand total of 3 games since October 2009, Vidic likewise has only appeared once or twice this year!! Anderson was fully integrated into the squad but everyone saw how bad he was, he cost United the CL final if you ask me. Anderson also is injured now and it will hamper his hopes.
Nani plays on the opposite side to Valencia and Giggs often makes sub appearances because he's old. You could make your Nani argument for Obertan but not for Nani.
Owen is only a bit-part player at United, nothing more than a squad player.

There is hardly that much competition in the United squad and that's what has been striking me this season.
I don't understand how 2nd in the Serie A qualifies as fallen from grace.

Your Vidic and Ferdinand Point, Their top 2 CBs have been out the majority of the season, Yet they have one a Cup, 1 point behind in the league? and you say theres not alot of Quality?

nanis best performances this season have come from the right,

Im sorry, But Rooney is noting like CR9 for united, hhes a team player, he brings others into the game, Your not understanding me, Rooney may have replaced CR9s goals, But they attack as a team, Much more fluant than when CR9 in my opinion,

 

[silky_soccer]

And Fabio isnt that far behind Raphael, Its Just down to the Fact Evra is Probably the best LB in the world, Where as there isnt the same standard on the Right, anyway,

Id rather have Bojan, Pedro, Thiago, JDS, Barta, Muniesa, Busquets any day lol

 

[Metaphysical]

to be fair rafael has clearly bulked up and is more suited to the physical demands on the PL. I think fabio is a better player defensively, but is still a bit of a runt, which could hold him back.

Rooney = the CR9 of United this season. He scores virtually every one of their goals just as CR did.

yeah but he's a striker.

that's what strikers do, no?

Im sorry, But Rooney is noting like CR9 for united, hhes a team player, he brings others into the game, Your not understanding me, Rooney may have replaced CR9s goals, But they attack as a team, Much more fluant than when CR9 in my opinion,

this is true.

although it's only relevant to last year. in 07/08 they were a different animal, but once ronaldo had his head turned by madrid that dream was over.

 

[blueduck]

Say United were playing 5 top 8 PL teams in a row and Rooney was injured, they wouldn't even get a point from any of them. Such is their reliance on him.

 

[silky_soccer]

Say United were playing 5 top 8 PL teams in a row and Rooney was injured, they wouldn't even get a point from any of them. Such is their reliance on him.

same with citys relience on Bellamy and Tevez..

 

[blueduck]

True. But at least I admit it. I haven't met a single United fan that admits they are a one man team.

 

[silky_soccer]

True. But at least I admit it. I haven't met a single United fan that admits they are a one man team.

haha, your right there, but every team relys on a world class player if theyve got one,

we rely on xavi alot,

 

[boommoob1]

not really. he'd have to be the lone striker because he's proven to be awful in the wide areas. We'd have to fit Ibrahimovic somehow into the team...

Rooney is brilliant on the wings if used right, as part of a front 3 not 4-5-1 or 4-4-2. Many MOM awards and goals playing there over the years. Actually miss the spectacular goals he used to score when he played deeper.

 

[AttackingFlair]

same with citys relience on Bellamy and Tevez..

Yeah but where are City in the table? United are one point off the top, there's your difference. Rooney's also won games far more consistently, where was Tevez at the start of the season or when City had so many draws? Weren't talking about him then..

Rafael and Fabio are technically brilliant, just need to learn how to defend. They'd make fine wingers imo.

 

[blueduck]

Yeah but where are City in the table? United are one point off the top, there's your difference. Rooney's also won games far more consistently, where was Tevez at the start of the season or when City had so many draws? Weren't talking about him then..

Rafael and Fabio are technically brilliant, just need to learn how to defend. They'd make fine wingers imo.

If you actually knew what you were talking about you would know that Tevez missed a pre-season due to injury. Which is why it took him a few games to get going.

 

[barcakid999]

But that's the thing, Nani and Anderson have both failed to live up to their potential! I wouldn't be surprised if United sold them on soon. Then there's Macheda who had the huge hype but has disappeared off the radar just as i predicted him too. Rafael and Fabio - them being twins I just don't see both of them succeeding, especially since one of them is so far ahead of the other. I don't think lighting will strike twice in the same spot. Stupid reason, i suppose. There is hope yet for Wellbeck who I am sure will become a top player, and Obertan is a bit like their pedro.
As for Milan, the difference is that at Milan you already have players who are past the hype and right in the action. Who are young but still developing. Pato and Thiago Silva are both in solid positions that the Manchester United hopes are very far from attaining. Then they have Astori who already has plenty of Serie A experience and is a solid CB, and of course Paloschi who also has Serie A experience. Just as United do, Milan have a base of youth players but most of these are playing out on loan.

You're right in saying both Anderson and Nani have failed so far have failed to live up to their potenial, but there's time yet. Nani went through a stage this season where he was unstoppable and showed to himself that he is more than good enough to play at the top level if he makes the right decisions.

Anderson has been less promising this season and now has now picked up a knee injury that will keep him out until next season, you can tell when he plays that he's talented but he hasn't been able to add the consistenacy to his game, yet. I think it's too early to write either off, especially as they're both talented.

Your reasoning for both Fabio and Rafael failing is quite strange, they both can go ons to make success of themselves. Rafael is definitely the better player at the moment, but that's because he's competeting with John O'Shea and Wes Brown for the RB spot whereas Fabio has Evra infront of him. I'll have you know that Fabio was actually rated higher than Rafael when they came to the club, but a combination of injuries and having Evra infront of him has slowed down his progress.

Macheda has been injured loads this season, that's why he's hardly played.

Welbeck and Obertan are very raw and both look like they're a few years away from a first team spot, not sure if either will make it there.

I agree that they rely far too heavily on their older players such as Giggs, Scholes and VDS. They definitely need to bring in a replacement for Giggs and Scholes especially. A left winger and a top class attacking midfielder is a must if they want to be successful whilst playing 4-3-3.

They aren't over-reliant on Rooney either IMO, of course they're going to be weaker if he gets injured but if you look at the stats all his goals have been from inside the box this year. Alot have been tap-ins and fairly straight foward goals, this indicates that his teammates are providing alot of easy chances for him. I don't think they'd miss him more than Arsenal would miss Fabregas or more than Chelsea would miss Essien/Drogba. People used to say it when Ronaldo played for them, and previously Beckham and Van Nistelrooy...I don't think the overall team gets enough credit.