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Valderrama

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and booing them is really gonna help eh?

it's like paying for a movie ticket then leaving before the end because you're not entertained.

it's a pessimistic childish reaction. make the best of things - show your support and try to buoy your players.

as a liverpool fan, I'd expect you'd understand that.

During the game they supported them 100% It was only after the game they booed.

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People are coming up with every excuse under the sun about England. The media, the fans, players not being good enough because the Premier League is full of foreigners etc etc. Sorry but thats rubbish, these players ARE good enough, its no secret Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard and Terry are their clubs very best players and have all done very well in Europe.
 

Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
During the game they supported them 100% It was only after the game they booed.

yeah, so? that doesn't change the fact that they still booed them.

the world cup wasn't finished, there's still a game to go.

People are coming up with every excuse under the sun about England. The media, the fans, players not being good enough because the Premier League is full of foreigners etc etc. Sorry but thats rubbish, these players ARE good enough, its no secret Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard and Terry are their clubs very best players and have all done very well in Europe.

actually no.

the players are palpably NOT good enough.

lampard, terry, gerrard, even rooney, at club level these players are propped up by foreignerss with real technique and intelligence. and in lampard and gerrard's cases the team is even built around them to cover up their deficiencies and maximise their specialist talents. you all saw how shit lampard was when the team wasn't built around him for chelsea (when carletto played the diamond) and that was at club level! the foreign contingent at the premier league's top clubs IS a big problem, without a shadow of a doubt.

added to that the fact that these players shit their pants when they pull on an england shirt (I've listed the exceptions to this rule many times, but none of them are in south africa bar cashley and possibly rooney - but he has many other issues which hurt him) and you've got the situation there is; constant england cackness at tournaments bar a handful of players who may or may not be able to drag england through a few games before even their talents hit the wall of england's overration.
 
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Valderrama

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yeah, so? that doesn't change the fact that they still booed them.

the world cup wasn't finished, there's still a game to go.

These players have proved they can't play well even with 100% support. In the Algeria game they were backed the whole time, yet they were still woeful, just woeful.

It's not just a case of them not playing well either, some of them looked like they weren't even trying and that is unforgivable.


actually no.

the players are palpably NOT good enough.

lampard, terry, gerrard, even rooney, at club level these players are propped up by foreigners with real technique and intelligence. and in lampard and gerrard's cases the team is even built around them to cover up their deficiencies and maximise their specialist talents. you all saw how shit lampard was when the team wasn't built around him for chelsea (when carletto played the diamond) and that was at club level! the foreign contingent at the premier league's top clubs IS a big problem, without a shadow of a doubt.

added to that the fact that these players shit their pants when they pull on an england shirt (I've listed the exceptions to this rule many times, but none of them are in south africa bar cashley and possibly rooney - but he has many other issues which hurt him) and you've got the situation there is; constant england cackness at tournaments bar a handful of players who may or may not be able to drag england through a few games before even their talents hit the wall of england's overration.

So Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney don't have good technique? Ok.. they don't have Messi, Iniesta etc technique but they do have good enough technique to be successful. United would be nothing without Rooney. Lampard, Rooney and Gerrard (except last season) played very well against top opposition and they are the key players in their teams. The teams are built around them because it gets the best out of them, NOT to cover up any deficiencies.

I admit there are a fair few players that don't have the best technique (all the defenders, Heskey the donkey, Lennon, SWP etc). In Italia 90 we reached the semi's and that was with a squad that could barely kick a ball straight (excpet Gazza), so our shortcomings are not solely down to a lack of technique. We have better technique than Slovenia ffs and they have 2 wins to their name.
 

Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
These players have proved they can't play well even with 100% support. In the Algeria game they were backed the whole time, yet they were still woeful, just woeful.

It's not just a case of them not playing well either, some of them looked like they weren't even trying and that is unforgivable.

if you and I have a relay of 3 races.

and you underperform in in the first 2 races.

your fans pissing in your ear after the second race will not make you perform better for the third race.

come on man, you're the uber-patriot. use your head.

So Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney don't have good technique? Ok.. they don't have Messi, Iniesta etc technique but they do have good enough technique to be successful. United would be nothing without Rooney. Lampard, Rooney and Gerrard (except last season) played very well against top opposition and they are the key players in their teams. The teams are built around them because it gets the best out of them, NOT to cover up any deficiencies.

I admit there are a fair few players that don't have the best technique (all the defenders, Heskey the donkey, Lennon, SWP etc). In Italia 90 we reached the semi's and that was with a squad that could barely kick a ball straight (excpet Gazza), so our shortcomings are not solely down to a lack of technique. We have better technique than Slovenia ffs and they have 2 wins to their name.

they don't have good technique. it's far too easily affected by their mental status to be good. witness everyone having the first touch of a donkey when playing for england - except heskey actually. if someone passed him the ball rather than hoofed it at him from 50 yards away, you might see something like when he beautifully teed gerrard up vs. the usa.

england's technique is about on a par with slovenia's. the difference being slovenia believe in technique and have a cohesive unit who play their positions (I'm looking at you, steven gerrard) and know how to pass the ball and most importantly they don't shit their pants when playing for their country. I don't know WHY they don't bottle it, but they don't.

united would be very little without rooney, but rooney is very little without valencia, nani, fletcher, etc.
liverpool would be very little without gerrard, but gerrard is very little without xabi, torres, mascherano, etc.
chelsea would be very little without lampard, but lampard is very little without drogba, malouda, essien, etc.

what do all those latter players have in common? they ain't english!

carrick is the best english support player and he has no balls.

rooney is not the focal point to cover up his deficiencies (he's had like four or five roles in his united career) but gerrard and lampard most certainly are. utterly limited players. lampard was nothing before the likes of makelele and josé showed up to make him better. gerrard's different in that he was a real talent when he was younger, but liverpool's midfield was so dire (and didi hamann was such a boss DM) that foolier just let gerrard do whatever he wanted. this had a hugely negative impact on his development as a footballer and it shows now.

and I never said the failings were solely down to technique. it's a lack of technique, a lack of intelligence, and a lack of bottle.

only a handful of players have these qualities, and most have been mocked/derided in england at one point or another (beckham, rio, hargreaves, owen, cashley) whereas the truly horrendous players that have basically ruined a decade of england international football (lampard and gerrard) are untouchable. but then the media lobby is mostly why they are in the position they are, to be honest. without the redtops relentlessly campaigning for them, their international careers may well have died out by now.
 

SeloBarca

Senior Member
Well said Meta, but they have 12 layers of blindfolds you have to get through first.

its the foreigners that make EPL nowadays, Rooney is probably up there but its the other players that open up space for him and set him up alot awell.

The best striker in EPL is from Spain.
 

AnfieldEd

I am Leg End
Meta answer this to me honestly........really honestly.

Had Gerrard said what Rooney said, would you have said what you did? I personally don't think so.

2 games in a row england were shit, against Algeria they were even worse than against usa. The full time whistle had blown, the people paid thousands of pounds to be there and had a right to voice their opinion.
 

La Furia

Legion of Doooom
Why the fuck are we being linked to every striker on the planet when we just bought David Villa and paid a record amount for Ibra last year?
 

Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
Meta answer this to me honestly........really honestly.

Had Gerrard said what Rooney said, would you have said what you did? I personally don't think so.

no I wouldn't, because I hate gerrard. that's a stupid question to ask, all it proves is I hate gerrard.

a better question would be would I have said what I said if the man making the comment was, say, lampard, or terry, or lennon, or heskey, etc.

and the answer is yes. because it was a legendary comment.

tbh I may have even given gerrard credit for saying it if he did, but I doubt it. I really do hate him.

2 games in a row england were shit, against Algeria they were even worse than against usa. The full time whistle had blown, the people paid thousands of pounds to be there and had a right to voice their opinion.

they had every right, but that doesn't mean they should have done it.

unfortunately, while you can give people freedom of speech/expression, you can't give them a brain to use it adequately.
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
I really believe that was from an interview of Messi probably months ago!! Tabloids just had to write some thing for sensation
 

G.J

V.H. 4 life
Why the fuck are we being linked to every striker on the planet when we just bought David Villa and paid a record amount for Ibra last year?
Because we're losing Henry and most likely getting rid of youknowwho.
 
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AnfieldEd

I am Leg End
no I wouldn't, because I hate gerrard. that's a stupid question to ask, all it proves is I hate gerrard.

a better question would be would I have said what I said if the man making the comment was, say, lampard, or terry, or lennon, or heskey, etc.

and the answer is yes. because it was a legendary comment.

tbh I may have even given gerrard credit for saying it if he did, but I doubt it. I really do hate him.



they had every right, but that doesn't mean they should have done it.

unfortunately, while you can give people freedom of speech/expression, you can't give them a brain to use it adequately.

You only think it was a legendary comment, because it was a player you like that said it.

These players earn £150,000 per week and can't even muster up a decent performance, Rooney was a tosser for saying it, and I would have said any player who said that was a tosser including gerrard or carragher.

They deserved the full criticism the fans dished out to them. Without question IMO.
 

VivaBarca

If Carlsberg did forum members
If I was English and at the game on Friday I would only have booed if the players hadn't tried 100%. That's what we need to know; did the players care ?
 

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