soul24rage
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iniestaGOAT
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That pussy bracilliant hasn't shown his face since
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On the situation of Bar?a, D'Alessandro does not bite his tongue: "They win like a murga, with everyone behind. If we put up with being taken for fools, selling a philosophy that does not exist today . They play hanging from the crossbar and we value it. And We see how Bayern play and we don't value it. I don't buy the product that they want to sell us from Barcelona ."
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serghei
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Of course it doesn't work today since today's squad is like 3 levels bellow the generation of Puyol, Xavi, Alves, Iniesta, Messi, Villa etc.
That's what, the discovery of the century?
Unless you mean the 2011 team wouldn't work today, in which case peoople who think that can walk hand in hand with Birdy on the boulevard of delusion.
We need to tweak our style a lot, but not because football developed since then lol, but because the chances of ever assembling a team of such technical ability like the 2011 side had everywhere on the field are almost zero.
That's what, the discovery of the century?
Unless you mean the 2011 team wouldn't work today, in which case peoople who think that can walk hand in hand with Birdy on the boulevard of delusion.
We need to tweak our style a lot, but not because football developed since then lol, but because the chances of ever assembling a team of such technical ability like the 2011 side had everywhere on the field are almost zero.
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iniestaGOAT
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Football is literally worse than it was 10 years ago.
It has not evolved. It has regressed.
serghei
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Yeah. Not one team around able to park the bus like peak Mourinho did back in the day. Atletico are closest in style but they are all over the place. Funny enough, Barca parks one of the best buses in Europe atm.
With the quality of the defenses around currently, 2011 Barca would have a field day against teams like current PSG, City, Bayern etc.
I think what he is saying is that were selling this idea of being a tiki taka team under Xavi, but the reality is that we are very much pragmatic and prefer to hold onto leads than go for a second goal. And of that defensive play, much of it is holding onto leads with last ditch interventions line Greece 2004.
So it's not about being levels below the talent of before, but that were giving this idea of playing a style of football that were not, while being worse on the eyes than guys like Tata Martino who the papers and fans crucified.
serghei
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And let's say, somehow, 30 years from now we keep playing this style and we assemble again a glorious superteam that can put others to shame and dominate like Pep Barca did. It's a long time to chase something.
I'd prefer the club to always keep this home-style close to the heart, and decide depending on talent available if it can be played or not. While maintaining the flexibility and realism to apply other ways of playing that are needed to adapt to other teams, much like what we are doing this season.
You very very rarely will build something so great that it will make all others adapt to it, from Madrid all the way down to Elche. With Gavi, Pedri, Balde etc., I am not sure if the talent is high enough to be able to play total football and win with it in the future.
I'd prefer the club to always keep this home-style close to the heart, and decide depending on talent available if it can be played or not. While maintaining the flexibility and realism to apply other ways of playing that are needed to adapt to other teams, much like what we are doing this season.
You very very rarely will build something so great that it will make all others adapt to it, from Madrid all the way down to Elche. With Gavi, Pedri, Balde etc., I am not sure if the talent is high enough to be able to play total football and win with it in the future.
serghei
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I don't think Xavi is saying we are playing amazing tiki-taka stuff. He knows and says we have to suffer and defend. It's mostly the fans and the media who project stuff from the past as if this team is simiar to those. It's not.
What does Tata Martino have to do with the current team? Don't see the need to compare with previous teams having likes of Messi and Neymar and other incredible players still in their prime.
This is a team with mostly raw teenagers, an old number 9 we are trying to milk from his last years at the top, and some top defenders. Of course the team is gonna be defending more since that's where most of the strenght in the squad is.
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serghei
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Our main objective is to win playing good football in this order.
How many teams are winning big titles this season playing top football? Maybe one or two, three at best.
If we win big titles this season, especially if we make a domestic treble, then the only way higher from here is improving the squad with top investments and attacking the CL.
Not much else on the table from this position.
Gnidrologist
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"Tiki-taka" basically means "team that can pass the ball around well and also press". None of current teams either on club or NT level currently is on that level due to lack of quality players mostly. With mediocre players the best teams is one better prepared physically and mentally. Barca is actually p. good at pressing and defending currently, when no key player is out, but lack the ball passing ability due to only one or two players being good at it and team chemistry lacking due to age contrast and lack of time together.
Gari
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The stars stopped appearing. Mbappe and Haaland are a joke, not real stars. There used to be a lot of them in all championships. It seems that the more money, the less stars. By the way, Pep and Klopp do not need stars, they need a car that carries out their commands.
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