Xavi Hernández

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Laplacian

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It's HAG, HAG, HAG, and HAG.

Why do so many people make this simple spelling error? Because of the Hague? Not an excuse. If you're talking about a manager you should at least know how to spell his name. No way you can watch an Ajax game without Hag's name appearing several times throughout the match, and yet you don't know how to spell his name. Makes me think you're just chatting shit you read off other sites.
 

Windhook

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I wonder about Xavi's treatment of veterans in the squad. Can't wait for the day someone to finally and permanently bench Busquets.
 

M3ls

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It's HAG, HAG, HAG, and HAG.

Why do so many people make this simple spelling error? Because of the Hague? Not an excuse. If you're talking about a manager you should at least know how to spell his name. No way you can watch an Ajax game without Hag's name appearing several times throughout the match, and yet you don't know how to spell his name. Makes me think you're just chatting shit you read off other sites.

My English is very bad.

In Russian, his name sounds like this: Тен Хааг -> Ten Haag
 

serghei

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By the way, the concepts of Ten Haag and Xavi are different.

The latter is based on juego de posicion (I hope you understand what this system implies), and in Ten Haag's system there is more chaos, movement.

Example:

juego de posicion: we strictly hold our positions, do not pull ourselves closer to the ball unless there is a strong need for it.

Ten Haag's model: the conditional left striker can be on the same flank with the right striker in order to provide a numerical advantage, and then, due to the individual qualities of the players, a quick pass to the walls, cutting into the last third of the field. - players pose a threat to other people's gates. That is, there is more order in Xavi's model, but this does not mean that the Ten Haag system is bad, they just differ, although both involve attacking football.

You hold position in juego de posicion, until the opponent is overcrowding some zones. Like center midfield, a zone which you always seek to control in this style. So once the opponent crowds that zone and you can't pass through it (even when you move off the ball while keeping your position), you start to draw more men to the ball as to achieve superiority on those short spaces and provide more options to pass. You switch play only when the opponent is giving you a lot of space.

That adjustment was sorely lacking under Koeman. Whenever the opponent would crowd the midfield (happened nearly every game), he would just bypass it by building through fullbacks. It was extremely easy to stifle Koeman Barca in midfield because his midfield formula was very stiff and static. Not enough movement and support there to control it when the opponent would crowd it. So this translated to a whole lot of time on the ball for center-backs and full-backs and less for our creative midfielders. His team was lacking ideas to engage midfielders from defense and wide areas. It was usually garbage progression from fullbacks to wingers + forced individual actions by Depay, Coutinho etc. Midfielders were reduced from creative roles to making runs in the box for crosses and such.

So it's open passing lanes, hold position and let the ball do the work. Closed lanes and you start looking for more ways to support the ball carrier, which means different schemes and patterns of approach from nearly all surrounding players.

The germans/dutch go crazy with this overloading thing, but it's surplus to requirement many times. Many times, just keeping position and making minor quick adjustments can release a teammate and make him available for pass.
 
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Neymessi

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If his past interviews are anything to go by, he definitely has a vision that transcends modern physical football and physicality but he overemphasizes possession and an archaic playing style. Even if he has a good sense of that football, that style is extinct and our players are not smart and good enough to learn it anyway.
 

DonAK

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If his past interviews are anything to go by, he definitely has a vision that transcends modern physical football and physicality but he overemphasizes possession and an archaic playing style. Even if he has a good sense of that football, that style is extinct and our players are not smart and good enough to learn it anyway.

Is it really an archaic playing style? Managers such as Tuchel and Nagelsmann for example credit Pep's vision of football as their ideals, and so does EtH. They might have different variations, tweaks and interpretations of it, but they claim they base it off the fundamentals Pep set.

We've not played like he want us to play ever since Pep/Tito left.

Xavi said himself that stale possession for the sake of it is useless. It's a mistake to assume Xavi want to hold possession and do nothing with it. He has clear ideas to attack and create a lot of chances and gives his attacking players freedom too.

The only thing we should worry about if anything is whether he actually can implement his ideas here.
 
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messi2140

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Let's say Xavi ends up being an elite coach. How is he going to implement his ideas with this squad he has and no new players. We have no RW , a psuedo LW/CF in Depay , our midfield that just isn't good and the less said about our defenders and GK , the better.

Honestly have no idea what Laporta is doing , Xavi is getting set up for faillure and I'm not even a fan of Xavi.
 
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Horatio

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I have been trying to warn serghei. Man is going to be left heartbroken if Xavi gets apppointed.


Worried.
 
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Horatio

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It's HAG, HAG, HAG, and HAG.

Why do so many people make this simple spelling error? Because of the Hague? Not an excuse. If you're talking about a manager you should at least know how to spell his name. No way you can watch an Ajax game without Hag's name appearing several times throughout the match, and yet you don't know how to spell his name. Makes me think you're just chatting shit you read off other sites.

This. It’s like when people call the player Das Bost. What? Because of the movie Das Boot?
 

FC B

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If his past interviews are anything to go by, he definitely has a vision that transcends modern physical football and physicality but he overemphasizes possession and an archaic playing style. Even if he has a good sense of that football, that style is extinct and our players are not smart and good enough to learn it anyway.

Exactly. That's why I was rooting for a manager who's philosophy would consist in a much more adapted style to modern contemporary way of playing, something that blends possesion with counters like Lucho did for example, anything but pure hardcore blunt cruyff fundamentalism, especially whit this set of players.
 

serghei

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DonAK, hadn't Cruijffista chessmaster Setien also had similar ideas when he came?

He was dicked by the veterans who were still crying after EV and didn't get a proper chance. We never really got to see his ideas because the Amigos had other plans and didn't want to train very hard.
 
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Horatio

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He was dicked by the veterans who were still crying after EV and didn't get a proper chance. We never really got to see his ideas because the Amigos had other plans and didn't want to train very hard.

Agreed that he should have been given more time. At the same time probably did not have the players needed to implement his ideas. Should not have taken the job to begin with.
 
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