Yaya Toure

[FCBarca]

You see if suggesting that one player should start every game reflects badly on you, the above just totally annihalates your credibility.

You'd have to find a quote where I suggested one player should start every match...I still contend that while he's young and has upside, he's been the worst player this season for Barca...Worst, yes...Worse than Thierry, too, because Thierry's inadequacies didn't lead to goals or going down a man...Henry has been subpar, no doubt...But the worst?...Sergi is in a class by himself at this point.

He's shown glimpses too which is typical for someone of his age, they can be up/down...I'm a biscuit fan but suggesting he's every bit as good as Yaya?

 

[diegomessi]

u just called sergi a nobody... did u see us last season

have u seen him for Spain??

a nobody???!?!??! this offends me

i do not think we should get rid of yaya however i accept that he is replacable.. you just have to accept some players at barca are replaceable (abidal henry victor possibly zlatan) and some siumply are not (messi iniesta xavi alves pique puyol)

 

[adil_909]

1. there is no guarantee yaya will return to top-form. he sure didn't do it against xerez.
2. his agent is money-grubbing attention-whoring disruptive scum.
3. yaya and his agent are currently disruptive influences on the squad.
4. if yaya does go, pep intends to replace him with mascherano, who is a better DM than yaya, so... yeah.

1. how about you play him with the starters and see what he's capable of. play him for 3-4 games straight.
2. yes, let's never sign a player again with a shitty agent. great logic. because agents are so noble and virtuous, they never ever create problems. only toure's agent is like this, the other are saints.
3. as would any agent be of any player in any club who isn't playing as much as he believes he should. stupid point.
4. it doesn't matter who is better. who is faster, messi or ronaldo? why does it matter? what matters is who is better for barca, and mash would be awful for barca. again, toure adds more to the starting XI than either mascherano or busquets would/do.

 

[Metaphysical]

what about my analysis of what a DM needs to do at barca?

and what about barcelona's philosophy?

and if you think toure is not in form so we should get rid of him, then why don't we get rid of every player that drifts out of form and replace him with a permanent youth team player. henry's form has been much worse than toure's. toure has suffered injuries, he has suffered swine flu, and he has suffered the mental stress associated with being replaced in the first team by a nobody just weeks after signing a new long term contract. let's give toure a fair chance to prove himself and prove that he is not finished. because that has not happened, nowhere near happened, and until he's given a fair chance - a run of 3 or 4 games uninterrupted - then this argument is pointless.

so now we should give him a game out of sympathy?

it's not like he hasn't played. apart from inter at home (when he was injured) he's been an ever-present in the CL.

and btw, we've sucked in the CL apart from inter at home.

I CANNAE MAKE THE CONNECTIONZ!

hard to beleive you guys are calling for one of our most consistent player last year to head out the door based on a few short stressful weeks. if this was the end of the season and he still hadn't played well then fine, maybe. but this is unbelievable. i can't wait to see what you guys say when messi suffers a dip in form 2 to 3 years from now.

a few things:

1. this is not last season.
2. yaya's been poor all season.
3. yaya and his agent have spoken out against pep's team selections (with no just cause).
4. we have a replacement bursting through the youth ranks.
5. we will likely sign a better DM as a direct replacement.

if messi plays as poorly for as long a time and becomes a disruptive influence and we have a readymade replacement bursting through the youth ranks then it's likely reactions will be similar.

 

[Cule Angles]

what about my analysis of what a DM needs to do at barca?

and if you think toure is not in form so we should get rid of him, then why don't we get rid of every player that drifts out of form and replace him with a permanent youth team player. henry's form has been much worse than toure's. toure has suffered injuries, he has suffered swine flu, and he has suffered the mental stress associated with being replaced in the first team by a nobody just weeks after signing a new long term contract. let's give toure a fair chance to prove himself and prove that he is not finished. because that has not happened, nowhere near happened, and until he's given a fair chance - a run of 3 or 4 games uninterrupted - then this argument is pointless.

hard to beleive you guys are calling for one of our most consistent player last year to head out the door based on a few short stressful weeks. if this was the end of the season and he still hadn't played well then fine, maybe. but this is unbelievable. i can't wait to see what you guys say when messi suffers a dip in form 2 to 3 years from now.

I think your analysis is oversimplified and fundamentally flawed. It totally overlooks the fact that a DM with greater creativity can provide support to Xaviesta when they're struggling and provide the shock factor of an earlier ball through to the forwards when the opposition is expecting the standard ball to one of Xaviesta.

I don't think Touré should leave because he's out of form, the only reason for him to leave is his proven willingness to disrupt the club for personal gain and I wouldn't accept that from Messi, Puyol, Xavi or anybody else. If he stops the chat to the press, gets his head down and recovers his form then he'll be a valuable asset to Barça once again but until he does that you're right in saying that this argument is pointless because Sergio has proven that he's able to deputise and provide a different aspect to the side despite the odd mistake.

 

[diegomessi]

You'd have to find a quote where I suggested one player should start every match...I still contend that while he's young and has upside, he's been the worst player this season for Barca...Worst, yes...Worse than Thierry, too, because Thierry's inadequacies didn't lead to goals or going down a man...Henry has been subpar, no doubt...But the worst?...Sergi is in a class by himself at this point.

He's shown glimpses too which is typical for someone of his age, they can be up/down...I'm a biscuit fan but suggesting he's every bit as good as Yaya?

i just dont understand how u can rate him as the WORST player this season...

 

[FCBarca]

u just called sergi a nobody... did u see us last season

have u seen him for Spain??

a nobody???!?!??! this offends me

i do not think we should get rid of yaya however i accept that he is replacable.. you just have to accept some players at barca are replaceable (abidal henry victor possibly zlatan) and some siumply are not (messi iniesta xavi alves pique puyol)

Not sure if you're referring to me but I didn't call Biscuit a nobody.

And I'd disagree with you, any core group of players that should/could be deemed irreplaceable?...Yaya has to be in that group, for me

i just dont understand how u can rate him as the WORST player this season...

Simple really, who's been worse?...I read someone suggested Thierry Henry but I don't buy that one despite being subpar.

Whose had the most costly errors?...He's been this year's Caceres...It also should be noted that with few exceptions, no one has really/truly been bad...So being the worst of an awesome lot is hardly synonymous with being terrible...Bear that in mind too

 

[Barcaman]

I'm a Busquets fan but somehow I believe things could have been drastically different had Barca conceded a goal after Sergi's expulsion or had Messi failed to turn his magic vs. Depor.

 

[Cule Angles]

so how are those of us who are saying that toure should play every game not wanting the best for barca. i would say those that are more interested in getting rid of toure and adopting busquets are not wanting the best for barca. because we have one of the best DMs in the world at our disposal and we want to get rid him and play someone inferior.

There's your quote, and you've said it several times besides there.

 

[adil_909]

anyway back to work, i'll still maintain that toure is a better fit for barca. you guys are being way too dramatic about toure's drop in form, you're making it seem like he's a ronaldinho in the making. and disruptive influence? is he partying into the night? no. is he fighting with the team? no. is he creating fractions? no. is he disrespecting the coach? no. he is not a ronaldinho. he is a good player out of form, and last time i checked, not all players who went out of form got sold or were ostracized or blamed or victimized like what is happening with toure.

at the end of the day, we should do what is best for barca. if busquets can prove that he's ready to be the monster in midfield that toure was last season, then fine, let's move on. but that day has certainly not come yet, not by a long shot.

 

[Metaphysical]

1. how about you play him with the starters and see what he's capable of. play him for 3-4 games straight.

I'm fairly certain he had that kind of run earlier in the season and sucked.

2. yes, let's never sign a player again with a shitty agent. great logic. because agents are so noble and virtuous, they never ever create problems. only toure's agent is like this, the other are saints.

3. as would any agent be of any player in any club who isn't playing as much as he believes he should. stupid point.

no agent is as bad as yaya's that I've encountered in my time as a football fan. yaya is a world-class talent but before barca has had a journeyman career. given the way his agent was behaving last season at a similar stage, my guess is the piece of shit acts the twat and becomes disruptive to force transfers, which of course pocket him a nice sum of money. this would explain why he tried for a city move. not only would he get a chunk of yaya's epic city wages but city have paid like 16m to agents in the last year or somethin', so he'd get some seriously tasty cash out of that.

4. it doesn't matter who is better. who is faster, messi or ronaldo? why does it matter? what matters is who is better for barca, and mash would be awful for barca. again, toure adds more to the starting XI than either mascherano or busquets would/do.

based on WHAT?

your whole thing is that yaya is a better pure DM than busquets... well badger is a better pure DM than yaya. he's not as physically imposing but his reading of the game is lightyears better, he's more aggressive and his distribution is better as well.

 

[diegomessi]

Not sure if you're referring to me but I didn't call Biscuit a nobody.

And I'd disagree with you, any core group of players that should/could be deemed irreplaceable?...Yaya has to be in that group, for me



Simple really, who's been worse?...I read someone suggested Thierry Henry but I don't buy that one despite being subpar.

Whose had the most costly errors?...He's been this year's Caceres...It also should be noted that with few exceptions, no one has really/truly been bad...So being the worst of an awesome lot is hardly synonymous with being terrible...Bear that in mind too

u didnt call him nobody the other dude did

henry has been loads worse.... i try not to hate on him to much but he simply has been SHIT sergi has had some good performances henry simply has just sucked

also chygrinsky has been worse and i would say rafa we concede every time he comes in marquez lol

 

[Cule Angles]

anyway back to work, i'll still maintain that toure is a better fit for barca. you guys are being way too dramatic about toure's drop in form, you're making it seem like he's a ronaldinho in the making. and disruptive influence? is he partying into the night? no. is he fighting with the team? no. is he creating fractions? no. is he disrespecting the coach? no. he is not a ronaldinho. he is a good player out of form, and last time i checked, not all players who went out of form got sold or were ostracized or blamed or victimized like what is happening with toure.

at the end of the day, we should do what is best for barca. if busquets can prove that he's ready to be the monster in midfield that toure was last season, then fine, let's move on. but that day has certainly not come yet, not by a long shot.

Yes he is disrespecting Pep by making statements to the press designed to pressure Pep into changing his team selection. I can't really believe you fail to see how unprofessional that is.

 

[adil_909]

There's your quote, and you've said it several times besides there.

again, i don't care about individual players. if i felt busquets was ready to replace toure and add the same things to the team, then i would feel differently. but,

1.) i dont' think busquets is ready.
2.) i think you guys are over-dramatising toure's loss of form as permanent and disruptive.
3.) i think toure has a lot more to offer to barca.

 

[Cule Angles]

again, i don't care about individual players. if i felt busquets was ready to replace toure and add the same things to the team, then i would feel differently. but,

1.) i dont' think busquets is ready.
2.) i think you guys are over-dramatising toure's loss of form as permanent and disruptive.
3.) i think toure has a lot more to offer to barca.

1) Fine, that's your opinion but please stop indulging in such hyperbole and slagging off the kid who has had many a fine performance in a blaugrana shirt.

2) His lack of form is a natural occurrence, it's his reaction to losing his place which is more concerning

3) Yes he does, but he has to adopt the right attitude and so far he hasn't.