1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[DonAndres]

The thing is Ive re-read the thread and havent seen that sentiment yet. The only person person that used the words best for example was referring to Buffon. Lets say all three of Madrid's shots that hit the post went in and the score was 4-1 as it would have been in any other Madrid derbi, would that mean Coutois' save to Ozil wouldn't be praise worthy? Because that's when the praise came again today, after a good save which even you praised. It reminds me of when De Gea had his low period and the mere mention of his name would result in people listing all of his errors and saying they wouldn't want him at Barca. All three have world class potential and what they are capable of at their best ensures that scouts will not be phased by the flaws because they have years to iron them out. For me Coutois has made more mistakes for Atleti than De Gea did even though he plays behind a far superior defense. That doesn't mean that when Courtois goes back to Chelsea he will make as many mistakes as De Gea did in his first year in Manchester. Each path is different.

I'm in no way denying the potential of any of the 3 GK's (ter Stegen, Courtois, De Gea). They're huge talents with massive potential and as they iron out their flaws, we'll see an era with truly remarkable goalkeepers.

The thing with Courtois is that he did play a good game. Everything we would've expected him to save, he did, and THEN he went on to save more that we wouldn't have thought possible. ter Stegen let in goals he could've saved because of his errors but making some other fantastic saves doesn't necessarily make up for it. Without those saves, it could've been 7-3 Bayern. However it does go the other way as well. Had he not messed up that much it could've been 3-1 Borussia.

 

[xavi_the_Boss]

Courtois has not been more consistent in my opinion.

This season he definitly was.Ter Stegen was mediocre this season.

 

[Semi-Neutral]

This season it's been De Gea>Courtois>Ter Stegen.

 

[ShandyFFM]

he was medicore.. without his injury kevin trapp would have been mvp of the bundesliga and eintracht frankfurt would probably play cl qualification next season..bad luck he was superb trapp and adler hae been the best keeper neuer not good at all many mistakes even if he had so little to do

 

[AvocadoCake]

I personally think Courtois is the best option (I doubt we can get De Gea) but I'm not sure how willing Mourinho would be to sell to Barca (should he indeed go to Chelsea as expected).

 

[khaled_a_d]

Right after his 2 good saves people were proclaiming "that's why we need ter Stegen", "better than ___", etc.

And if this game wasn't poor, then I don't know what poor is.
-Lacked focus and didn't react in time for the first 1v1 and could've done better
-didn't even move for the 2nd goal despite it being well within saving distance and not a powerful shot. Once again he wasn't prepared to make the save until it was too late. This goal was definitely his fault alone.
-kind of slow to move for the 3rd goal but I'm not gonna nitpick because any other keeper would've had trouble saving that as well. It was an amazing shot and impossible to predict.
- left the goal gaping for Robben on the 4th goal, once again within saving distance yet he just flailed randomely. He lacked positioning to cover the goal and made a last ditch attempt to swing his arms out to save it without any chance of doing so. Once again not ready to make the save until it was too late.
- Many other Bayern attempts that were off target, but had they been on target he was in no position to make the save and he wasn't ready to move in time.

He definitely has potential to be a great GK but people are just rushing it and saying he is despite him having flaws he needs to address. At this point he is no better than Valdes or Reina yet people hype him up to be.

Meh ,people were saying he is better than Reina ,and they are right ,the fact that for a very few normal posts you keep saying people are overrating him is irrational to say at least

Thats why my friends....

We should get either ter Stegen or Courtois.

Not Reina.

right after it

Don't just worship him over 2-3 great saves. He was inconsistent the entire game and his positioning was very dismal and don't forget he conceded 4 goals.

Ter Stegen=Cortois>Guaita>Reina>Valdes

other than last quote I don't see any over hyping or overrating tbh

And again he didn't lack concentration ,he didn't lack positioning overall in the game , Unless Buffon is the only standard you are comparing GKs too , you are again totally unfair with the kid ,look at the players rating at any site and see you will find that no one consider it a bad game for him

 

[rafals]

This season he definitly was.Ter Stegen was mediocre this season.

Of course, that's arguable. I just remember so many matches with him making the same mistakes that ter Stegen made today that I can't admit the same without any doubt. As I said before, he is praised like that thank's to his team's overall performance which was amazing. Moenchengladbach was very weak defensively. But I have no more arguments, so I'll just stop there

 

[Garrus]

I know that Courtois isn't always as good as he was yesterday but he is still far more consistent and concentrated than ter Stegen.

Those goals weren't entirely ter Stegen's fault obviously but people act like every save he makes is jaw-droppingly brilliant and every goal he concedes is not his fault at all. He's a great prospect, definitely going to get better in the future. But people are getting ahead of themselves and saying he's amazing because they want him to be amazing, not because he is. His positioning, concentration, and preparedness for those goals today were horrible.

I'm not saying he's bad, I'm just saying that he does not deserve the applause he is getting for this game because he performed poorly and that should be observed. He has his fair share of great games and one should definitely account for those too, but he deserves to be judged for the poor ones as well. Overall He hasn't even been great this season.

I just highlighted the parts where you just start making stuff up, And the reason i know this, Is because i doubt you watched every single atletico madrid match this season, And i know for certain that you haven't watched every 'borussia mönchengladbach' match.
In 'Whoscored' Courtois average score in la liga this season is 6.76, Ter's is 6.94, Not to mention he has the highest average rating of all Bundesliga GKs.
You don't value there rating system much?, Fair enough, Neither do i in a way, But here is the crucial part, It's way better accurate 'judging' system, From what ever you just used, Since they actually rate every single game, You see i don't watch ateltico madrid matches or BM, Yet i don't make generalized judgments, When i know i'm in no place to make them in the first place, Not because i can't, I have the right to express what ever opinion, You have the right also, But let me give you an advise, It can damage you credibility, And that's exactly what happened when i read you post

 

[DonAndres]

Well it's not exactly a good game to concede 4 with several errors is it?

He can be great but when he does have a bad day it should be pointed out, just like he should be praised when he plays a good game. All I'm saying is that he should be judged on the level he performs, not the level people want him to be or falsely believe he is.

 

[rafals]

Well it's not exactly a good game to concede 4 with several errors is it?

He can be great but when he does have a bad day it should be pointed out, just like he should be praised when he plays a good game. All I'm saying is that he should be judged on the level he performs, not the level people want him to be or falsely believe he is.

By that you mean each bad game individually, not his skill and potential overall? In that case, I agree. Sometimes people just want to believe that he or any other player is always performing well and they justify them while being too blind to see a bad performance of their favourite players.

 

[Paganinisrvnge]

I didn't watch the match but it sounds like DonAndres just has something against Ter Stegen. I read on some other forums that he made some amazing saves that kept Gladbach in the match. One of the best goalkeeping performances of the past few years was Neuer vs Man U where they lost like 2-0 or something but Neuer made a number of ridiculous saves.

Are you the type of person that has always thought Valdes was a top 5 goalkeeper just because he wins so many Zamora's due to our midfield and defense protecting him? When you take a class goalkeeper like Neuer(or Ter Stegen hopefully if he continues to develop) and give him a really good defense then you see what happens. Ter Stegen benefited from having Dante in his team last season and now that Dante went to Bayern, Neuer looked better and Bayern conceded very very few goals all season long except in matches where they lost focus.

 

[DonAndres]

I just highlighted the parts where you just start making stuff up, And the reason i know this, Is because i doubt you watched every single atletico madrid match this season, And i know for certain that you haven't watched every 'borussia mönchengladbach' match.
In 'Whoscored' Courtois average score in la liga this season is 6.76, Ter's is 6.94, Not to mention he has the highest average rating of all Bundesliga GKs.
You don't value there rating system much?, Fair enough, Neither do i in a way, But here is the crucial part, It's way better accurate 'judging' system, From what ever you just used, Since they actually rate every single game, You see i don't watch ateltico madrid matches or BM, Yet i don't make generalized judgments, When i know i'm in no place to make them in the first place, Not because i can't, I have the right to express what ever opinion, You have the right also, But let me give you an advise, It can damage you credibility, And that's exactly what happened when i read you post

I've watched a pretty good deal of the Atletico games this season, but yes you're right that I haven't been an avid follower of BM. At the same time my judgement is based off of watching some games, highlight videos, AND opinions from writers/fans who do watch BM closely. Just because I personally am not a BM expert doesn't mean that my judgements are automatically inaccurate or made up, if anything they are taken from actual observations of him, whether it be myself or another person. Ask any objective person who has knowledge on ter Stegen and they will tell you he hasn't been the most consistent of players this season. I'm not making any bold out of the ordinary claims, just deriving it from what I know and what I trust that other people know.

Also, from what I have seen/heard, it's no secret that Courtois has had a much better season than ter Stegen. Once again holistic judgement is a much better rating system than computers or numbers. Credibility can be refuted if it's completely wrong and out of the blue judgements without knowing anything about the player, however I'm confident that what I said isn't wildly inaccurate and I am fairly informed/knowledgeable on ter Stegen's strength's and faults.

Just because a person isn't 100% all the time associated with or knowing of the goings on of a team/player doesn't mean that everything is wrong.

 

[DonAndres]

I didn't watch the match but it sounds like DonAndres just has something against Ter Stegen. I read on some other forums that he made some amazing saves that kept Gladbach in the match. One of the best goalkeeping performances of the past few years was Neuer vs Man U where they lost like 2-0 or something but Neuer made a number of ridiculous saves.

Are you the type of person that has always thought Valdes was a top 5 goalkeeper just because he wins so many Zamora's due to our midfield and defense protecting him? When you take a class goalkeeper like Neuer(or Ter Stegen hopefully if he continues to develop) and give him a really good defense then you see what happens. Ter Stegen benefited from having Dante in his team last season and now that Dante went to Bayern, Neuer looked better and Bayern conceded very very few goals all season long except in matches where they lost focus.

I have nothing against ter Stegen and I too can say that those few saves were amazing but best performance of the past few years? Hardly. He made mistakes, he didn't play well, and conceded a lot. Does that mean he's overall a horrible player? No. He just didn't have a good game and that deserves to be pointed out, not overlooked just because he's an attractive choice for future Barca keeper. He'll be great in the future and he's a great prospect now, but one shouldn't overlook all his flaws just to put him up on a pedestal too early.

 

[Barcaman]

"Whowhats" average scores?

Here's Kicker's (specialized German portal for Bundesliga) top 10 ratings for goalkeepers this season.

Trapp 2,40
Adler 2,73
Benaglio 2,83
Weidenfeller 2,83
Baumann 2,91
Leno 2,94
Hildebrand 2,95
Neuer 2,95
Schafer 2,98
Giefer 2,98

Here's a task: Find Ter Stegen! Also, note to Zubi: Buy Trapp!

People who don't watch games and only use ratings for forming their opinion shouldn't really post let alone judge others.

 

[Paganinisrvnge]

I have nothing against ter Stegen and I too can say that those few saves were amazing but best performance of the past few years? Hardly. He made mistakes, he didn't play well, and conceded a lot. Does that mean he's overall a horrible player? No. He just didn't have a good game and that deserves to be pointed out, not overlooked just because he's an attractive choice for future Barca keeper. He'll be great in the future and he's a great prospect now, but one shouldn't overlook all his flaws just to put him up on a pedestal too early.

I was talking about Neuer vs Man U 2 years ago being one of the best performances of the past few years despite being a loss.