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DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Looks like giving a GK who might start vs PSG some playing time against Granada is too much to ask for.
I don't really get it though, even though Bravo has conceded nothing, he could have easily been 'rested' to give the other guy a 'fair chance', but it looks like giving 'a fair chance' is only limited to one of them.
Don't think it would have been morale damaging in any way, but whatever. Im bored by discussing this now. Time to revisit some other threads again
Kerrybai
New member
He's only 22, no way we will lose him over this. He will be reassured that his time will come.
You guys don't get it.
Neither of the GKs or any GK for that matter would leak in goals simply because of the defence and how the team has shaped up for this season. You guys are basically saying, 'Well, he is not letting in goals, let him continue forever then'. Well guys..... Bravo, ter Stegen, even Pinto would not let in goals, that's just how it is.
The thing is, IF ter Stegen is to feature in the Champions League this season, then the least he can get is a bit of game time before a CL game, you know, match training and you can easily explain that to a player and I doubt Bravo's morale would take a hit if Lucho said he would give tS a fair chance thus he needed to play a bit before a big game, but that has not happened. Instead Bravo started in a match where he easily could have been 'rested', the GKs 'rotated'.
Just to say it again, I don't believe in seperate keepers for the Champions League and La Liga anyway. It should be one keeper for both of those competitions and one keeper for the Copa del Rey, where two ties and most matches until the Semis are against oppositions where everyone expects us to win very easily so there is less pressure and a bigger leverage for rustyness(i dont know if that's a word or not lulz, anyway..) and perhaps even a mistake.
It's not like that in the Champions League.
I also don't believe in this 'time to settle', 'time to know the league and country' arguments which have been brought up around here, but that's just my opinion.
I don't care if Bravo is our GK in the LL and CL for now as long as a loan for ter Stegen is on the cards since you just don't stall a young GKs development like that, in any country, league, team, anywhere.
Let me break it down.
1. While I do prefer 1 GK for CL and LL and 1 for CDR, it may seem like Bravo will get his starts in LL and tS his starts in UCL, and in that case, it should not be morale damaging to rest a GK for the one who is gonna play in the midweek, just to give him some playing time, so he is not very rusty, in a competition where small mistakes can give you a premature exit from the competition.
2. IF the manager decides to go for one GK for both big competitions and it is the experienced one, then you don't put the inexperienced, new to the club GK on the bench for most of the season, you loan him out somewhere where he'll get regular playing time so he can continue to develop(an appropiate example would be Chelsea loaning out their long-term GK Thibaut Courtois)
And to those who didn't care to read a single sentence and intend to start harping about how I just want to see ter Stegen in goal at any cost and believe Bravo is shit and what not, then read this and the post above first, if you can't care to do that then don't bother replying at all.
I understand your poit and agree, he should have played against Granada to get some time before PSG. Having said that I would then bring Bravo back in for no other reason than merit. Lucho has to treat his players equally and reward them for performances... its true Bravo has done fuck all but he also hasn't fucked up.
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Flavia
Guest
Not playing regularly is bad for him. Better loan him, if Bravo is really the starter. We'll know against psg.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
@Kerrybai, yes you could then bring Bravo back in for the game against Rayo and La Liga and then ter Stegen back in before the next CL game and for the CL match and then later, possibly after the CL group stages throughly analyse their performances and get your starter.
That's the best way of doing it IMO, if you want to be fair to both GKs.
That's the best way of doing it IMO, if you want to be fair to both GKs.
Sumlit
San Claudio Bravo
I don't think Bravo will last as Barca's #1 keeper, don't you guys worry yourselves. MAtS will have to wait a season at most before he is Barca's #1, and I don't even think it'll be that long. With more games for each, even if Bravo gets La Liga and MAtS gets the cups, the difference in talent will become all too obvious to ignore.
Icarium
Lifestealer
What if mats started matches and made 1 or 2 errors. Will you bench him immediately? No we won't. At least a coach with a mind won't. And this situation can be interpreted like that too. Even though Bravo did not put in an outstanding performance he did not fuck up either. You can't blame him for not doing anything, our defense is just that good. Benching him makes it hard even more when he is coach's favorite. Bravo is lucho preference for now. Mats has to win the trust of lucho.
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Rohit Sharma, cmon man, atleast read the posts.
Dont you think its selective fairness being dished out questionmark
The first part of your post cracked me up. I've to say it did take me a while to decipher his username.
Can we 've one of the mods to lock down this thread? My steps are a bad omen to players' careers. And I've posted enough on here already.
Oops, I did it again.
Richard.H
Senior Member
I don't think it's a good idea to start him against PSG. First and foremost it's because they are a powerful opponent and have the potential to attack much more effectively than any other team Bravo has faced. Plus MATS doesn't even play regularly to start against such a CL powerhouse. Therefore, if he lets a goal in everyone will say Bravo is better.
Icarium
Lifestealer
Rohit Sharma, cmon man, atleast read the posts.
Dont you think its selective fairness being dished out questionmark
I am not saying anything against you. You have a very good point. I did not even quote you. I am just saying my opinion. Mats should have started Granada yes. But it is not the case because lucho does not believe in mats yet. No I am not Rohith Sharma lol. Why did you assume I am Sharma? But my name is Rohith that anyone can get it from my username.
Icarium
Lifestealer
All I am saying is why bravo continuing in la liga is justifiable. If you say he should have started against Granada yes I agree with you especially when mats is about to start against psg. If mats does not start against psg then it is pretty clear and there is nothing to argue. Now if you still disagree we can argue.
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BBZ8800
Senior Member
It would also mean:
-- players, don't even try
-- no matter how well you play, you will always be benched when a star player comes back
-- so, your effort or results/stats doesn't matter
-- it is all about names and who is a better player on the paper
I know, people will now say:
"But Bravo didn't play well at all, he is just lucky"
Let's be honest:
= even if Bravo was awesome, the best, Motm in the last 6 matches, and if he made 30 huge saves till now, people would still say: "Ok, he was very good, but now let's move on and play our Mats. He is the one whom we want. If Bravo did that, Mats will be even better."
So, honestly, it is irrelevant if Bravo was a crap, an average or a Goat.
People have chosen their favorite and that's it.
Once again, I also prefer Mats over Bravo, but you just can't bench Bravo in this moment.
It is just not fair and not right. Not only towards Bravo, but towards the whole team and sportsmanship.
Mats career is not over.
It is still only a September of his first Barca's season.
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