1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

Barcafan 2304

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Agree that the defence should be considered to. Let's look at the facts this season counting the supercups.

Conceded 4 against Sevilla.
Conceded 4 against Bilbao
Conceded 4 against Celta Vigo
Only one clean sheet this far

Doesn't make for good reading
 

FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
Agree that the defence should be considered to. Let's look at the facts this season counting the supercups.

Conceded 4 against Sevilla.
Conceded 4 against Bilbao
Conceded 4 against Celta Vigo
Only one clean sheet this far

Doesn't make for good reading

Defense has looked suspect this season, especially compared to last season. Last season we were so good, because we never let in any goals in La Liga. Now we are just a mess defensively.
 

Science Kid

Member
Agree that the defence should be considered to. Let's look at the facts this season counting the supercups.

Conceded 4 against Sevilla.
Conceded 4 against Bilbao
Conceded 4 against Celta Vigo

Only one clean sheet this far

Doesn't make for good reading

It's more than a coincidence that Ter Stegen was the goalkeeper in every one of those.

Ter Stegen 6 games so far...15 goals conceded,no clean sheets.

Bravo 3 games so far...1 goal conceded,2 clean sheets.
 

arjunanand1

New member
It's more than a coincidence that Ter Stegen was the goalkeeper in every one of those.

Ter Stegen 6 games so far...15 goals conceded,no clean sheets.

Bravo 3 games so far...1 goal conceded,2 clean sheets.

Those stats make for some painful reading. One thing is obvious, as confident as Mats sounds in his interviews, in reality his confidence has hit rock bottom.
 

zanela

Senior Member
Whoever thought Bravo's injury would be a blessing for TS confidence is having second thoughts.

I mentioned it at the time that Bravo's injury came at a wrong time for stegen (given the kind of games awaiting him). He's been a victim of circumstances and technical failings on his part.

Stegen's Barca career was always doomed when injury struck him pre-season of last year. It meant that he had to make his debut in the CL, his sec game being against PSG, where Barca had a stinker. Given his sporadic game time, he did commendably well, and helped in the context of team play and results, but such a start to his Barca career never helped his individual game. So whilst he's won 2 trophies, he hasn't progressed in gking terms. And one can't build anything concrete in the absence of a stable and consistent base, one which can't be estd without weekly game time.

His debut in both CL and LL were accidental, not a natural transition. And what we are witnessing is its cumulative effect. The resulting constant media scrutiny and statistical comparisons (without context) is heaping more pressure, and painting him as a bigger liability than he is at the moment, and some fans always love an easy scapegoat.
And since we love comparing our keepers. Malaga created few very good chances, one of which was their forward missing a point blank shot towards the end of the game. But Bravo came out with a clean sheet to his credit. So if even the supposed communication between him and the defense is better, he couldn't avert malaga from creating danger. I have seen the missed chances on the opp. part when Bravo is in goal attributed to Bravo's indomitable aura. Now if that were true for this season, it still doesn't explain the same occurrences against Villarreal last season (bravo's sec game), when their players hit the post a couple of times. This was at a time when he still hadn't built the clean sheet king reputation. Likewise, there were various other similar instances where the opp. missed an easy tap-in or hit the post. The psychological component can't explain it all.
Personally, Bravo has been luckier despite faring better in pure gking terms. If he was the one injured even before his Barca career began, things could have been looking differently for both.
What stegen needs now is a easy run of games, a substantial one from which to derive confidence from. In the absence of which, a transfer is the only reasonable option for all parties concerned.
But I can also guarantee that if we brought someone like DDG to replace MAtS, and the former was given the bulk of gametime, it would then be Bravo who would suffer a dip in his performances, and I suspect a lot of his advocates would then be using the same excuse that they tend to frown at when it's applied to MAtS.

The Keylor comparison isn't a good one. I thought it was obvious. I could explain but I rather not over-invest myself on this one.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Nah, Stegen came at Barca not being the finished product. He was too young. You don't come at Barca to become great. You come at Barcelona when YOU ARE great. I have no problem with Stegen as long as he understands he is not good enough to play as a starter and is willing to go on a loan until he reaches the required standard for a club of Barca's stature.

A loan will be great, because his talent is undeniable.
 
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Neymessi

Active member
Nah, Stegen came at Barca not being the finished product. He was too young. You don't come at Barca to become great. You come at Barcelona when YOU ARE great. I have no problem with Stegen as long as he understands he is not good enough to play as a starter and is willing to go on a loan until he reaches the required standard for a club of Barca's stature.

A loan will be great, because his talent is undeniable.

wtf
 

zanela

Senior Member
Nah, Stegen came at Barca not being the finished product. He was too young. You don't come at Barca to become great. You come at Barcelona when YOU ARE great. I have no problem with Stegen as long as he understands he is not good enough to play as a starter and is willing to go on a loan until he reaches the required standard for a club of Barca's stature.

Don't agree.

When Busi was promoted young, he wasn't yet the finished article. His constant back headers led to opp. goals, but pep consistently played him despite Toure being better at the time. Busi became GREAT later on. The same could be applied for Pedro for instance.
Piqué came when he wasn't yet GREAT. He had even played fewer top flight games than stegen when the switch hap.
And I don't think one could make a case for Bravo being already GREAT when he joined Barca despite having tons of experience under his belt.

No doubt, Barca's recent success means there is less buffer time for young talents. But your assertion is flawed.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
Ter Stegen is for the future. Goalkeepers need game time. A lot of the time you do nothing-especially when Barca are at their best.

Last season Ter Stegen managed to do well but now reality is kicking in. Usually when a team's defence goes to shit a great gk bails you out. Remember the umpteen times Casillas saved Madrid?? Buffon for Juve too. Hell even Valdes did it in his last season here.

The keeper situation last season didn't help. Im a believer in one keeper in the majority of competitions.

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Kuchi

Active member
You honestly can't really criticize him for last night, they all were great finishes, all went in.

He doesn't seem like an integrated piece of the defensive system, feels totally separated as in Bravo you don't get that.

Also, a great keeper puts pressure on opponents, strikers feel that in order to beat them they need the perfect finish. That pressure sometimes leads to misses, as they tend to over do it. With MATS, it's not the case. Strikers try everything, low percentage shots (like the Nolito strike), lobs, half court attempts, ffs. And for some twisted reason, they all go in, as the executions are mostly flawless.

Funny, you could say about MATS that he only is beaten in great fashion, but he still gets beaten. I think the best thing for him is a little break from it all, to recompose. It's obvious he's not at his best and stars are not exactly aligned for him. Bravo should play the CL next week and maybe switch MATS back in the next UCL home leg.
 
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Behrox

Vice President of FC Barcelona
You honestly can't really criticize him for last night, they all were great finishes, all went in.

He doesn't seem like an integrated piece of the defensive system, feels totally separated as in Bravo you don't get that.

Also, a great keeper puts pressure on opponents, strikers feel that in order to beat them they need the perfect finish. That pressure sometimes leads to misses, as they tend to over do it. With MATS, it's not the case. Strikers try everything, low percentage shots (like the Nolito strike), lobs, half court attempts, ffs. And for some twisted reason, they all go in, as the executions are mostly flawless.

Funny, you could say about MATS that he only is beaten in great fashion, but he still gets beaten.

Agreed. In the last 4 Barca games, I have seen all aspects of WC finishing. So much that you can't find a highlight package with such finesse and completeness. Its insane
 

serghei

Senior Member
Don't agree.

When Busi was promoted young, he wasn't yet the finished article. His constant back headers led to opp. goals, but pep consistently played him despite Toure being better at the time. Busi became GREAT later on. The same could be applied for Pedro for instance.

What do these players have in common? All are Masia players. It's different with them because Barcelona is their home.

Instead, why don't you give me a recent example of a young player that came at the club, from outside, since an early age, while not being a great player already (so Neymar doesn't qualify), and made it big. Very very few.
 

Science Kid

Member
Those stats make for some painful reading. One thing is obvious, as confident as Mats sounds in his interviews, in reality his confidence has hit rock bottom.

You could do worse.:lol:

Bravo 40 games for Barca,20 goals conceded
Ter Stegen 6 games this year,15 goals conceded.

Though to be fair,Bravo had the luxury of playing with prime Puyol,Pique,Abidal and Rafa Marquez...poor Ter Stegen has played with an awful defense,one which magically turns awful with him on goal and then even more magically turns decent when Bravo is on goal.

Something fishy is going around...maybe Bravo has some pictures of Pique with Shakira and has blackmailed him and the defense to sabotage Ter Stegen.:lol: :lol:
 

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