KingMessi
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Well, we're going in circles now again
Of course.
1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant
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Of course.
Jaykob
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Can you not see how much it eases the pressure on the backline, how much more cleanly the ball is played out of the back , how it opens up space in the midfield. How many attacks are stopped before they even result in a shot on goal due to his proactive play?
God Serena
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How would you know Barca would be worse off than with Bravo? If Mats developed his one on one saves (Only major shot stopping area Bravo beats him in) he'd be a much better keeper for us than Bravo. I recognize Bravo is a god around these parts but he himself improved drastically when given a lot of playing time.
Douglas is dogshit. He'd probably still be dogshit if he played every minute of every game. That example is so extreme that it's bad, which doesn't drive any point home at all.
Too many hypothetical ifs to consider building an argument/counter around it.
The deal is how it is, stats & performance prove a major point for both cases (Bravo-LL, TS-CL). Playing time has been the battle horse for the Mats brigade, but selective memory has blocked somehow the beginning of the season when Mats had playing time week in week out and failed. I don't see why any of the GKs should rotate the roles unless they want to add more insecurity, speculation, drama & gossip to an already seasoned topic.
The deal is just fine and it works for the benefit of the team, which should be the biggest concern. Bravo knows clock is ticking and wants to end it like a boss and TS knows the kind of team he plays for & the experience he's getting at his age. Should only be changed for the benefit of the team, not individual careers.
The deal is how it is, stats & performance prove a major point for both cases (Bravo-LL, TS-CL). Playing time has been the battle horse for the Mats brigade, but selective memory has blocked somehow the beginning of the season when Mats had playing time week in week out and failed. I don't see why any of the GKs should rotate the roles unless they want to add more insecurity, speculation, drama & gossip to an already seasoned topic.
The deal is just fine and it works for the benefit of the team, which should be the biggest concern. Bravo knows clock is ticking and wants to end it like a boss and TS knows the kind of team he plays for & the experience he's getting at his age. Should only be changed for the benefit of the team, not individual careers.
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KingMessi
SiempreBlaugrana
Love the straw man at the end brah.
Alik
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I think you're confused.
KingMessi
SiempreBlaugrana
The Douglas example.
Alik
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I know!
KingMessi
SiempreBlaugrana
If you know that that was twisting the argument for TS and consistent game time, then why'd you use it?
Alik
Moderator
I know what you were referring to. It's not a straw man argument.
The comparison is, it doesn't matter how much MATS improves with game time, because Bravo is so good it won't translate into much better results for the team anyway. So there's no point even bothering wasting time imagining things like that. I am not disputing that MATS, himself, could/would improve by getting consistent game time, any player would (including Douglas). That's obvious.
Right now Barca is at a record unbeaten 28 game streak, there is little upside potential from changing keepers but a lot of downside risk.
KingMessi
SiempreBlaugrana
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.
Look, nobody in the last few pages said Barca would be better with Ter Stegen in goal for the league. What was said was this: Imagine how good Ter Stegen would be if he played week in, week out. Instead, you're saying "The comparison is, it doesn't matter how much MATS improves with game time, because Bravo is so good it won't translate into much better results for the team anyway." Whereas, nobody was saying that (in the last few pages) in the first place.
So yes, it is a straw man, even if you didn't intend it to be one.
You're talking about one thing, whereas what was said was something else. Both sides are probably correct, but it's not really helping further the discussion nor is it really worth arguing about.
Alik
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I know what it means. Thanks for sharing the definition, anyway
And what I am saying is that there is no point in thinking about it anyway. I can go about posting the same thing in every player thread's, imagining what it would be like.
Sure.
I had already dropped it, when I said this was going in circles. You're the one who decided to keep quoting earlier posts.
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