1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[khaled_a_d]

How much you think Barca gets for MATS?

10-15M, MATS joined for 12M on 5 year contract and renewed till 2022 in 2017, then again in 2020 till 2025.
If my calculations is right, MATS remaining 3 years is worth less than 1.2M of amortization, if we get 15M for him that is around 14M profit.
If we sign a GK for 25M for 5 years, it is 5M this year. So 9M profit to spend in amortization. Then there is wage difference.
Obviously we will have to pay that extra money in next years, as amortization will be higher than him, but feels like that isn't the top of the worries of the board atm.

i was talking about the fact we might have to shell 50M or more for a new GK. stegen isn't even in top 5 GK salaries. but let's say an 'unknown' will probably get less than him.

who are those GKs that impress for medium/small clubs on a regular basis? or GK that have experience in top leagues and maybe some european credentials.

We won't shell 50M on GK, probably not half of that either.
Plenty of GK out there who has been discussed, and the club has big scouting and analytical department to select the right one.
MATS isn't top 5 GK earner now because his deal was struck during Covid time, it was designed so he will get significant pay raise later.
At his age, form and multiple knee surgeries the club will need to look for alternatives.
That being said, I agree with your initial point. They will most likely try to get rid of Neto first and replace him with a new GK, but I think they will look for someone who has the chance to takeover MATS and not just a Neto type of deal. Could be wishful thinking from my part

 

[khaled_a_d]

Don't see a point bringing a young GK as long as Xavi fully believes in MATS and will never give a fair chance to a new goalie to compete with him. Even if we'd convince someone to sign with us he would get tired of warming the bench and want to leave in a year or two.


He's clearly a part of the problem though. GK needs to trust defenders in front of him to be confident.

On paper it's easier to replace one guy (GK) than 3 defenders

Xavi style of play sacrifices a lot of our defense, and he also has full trust in Busquets who is defensive nightmare.
We will continue to have defensive problems even if we sign a couple of more defenders (good chance we will just be getting the free agents) and we will continue to have Busquets by that logic.
At some point we need to cut this circle, and Stegen is a good candidate for that.

Disagree with him being young, very few GK of his style continue to do well in their 30's. The likes of Casillas and VV were clear example of that.
Most of those who lasted long were healthy, tall and fundamentally sound GK, Stegen is non of those 3

 

[malvolio]

We won't shell 50M on GK, probably not half of that either.
Plenty of GK out there who has been discussed, and the club has big scouting and analytical department to select the right one.
MATS isn't top 5 GK earner now because his deal was struck during Covid time, it was designed so he will get significant pay raise later.
At his age, form and multiple knee surgeries the club will need to look for alternatives.
That being said, I agree with your initial point. They will most likely try to get rid of Neto first and replace him with a new GK, but I think they will look for someone who has the chance to takeover MATS and not just a Neto type of deal. Could be wishful thinking from my part

Easy to say scouting and analytics when many transfers we did proved otherwise. Only Oblak was somewhat cheaper, from the current crop of top GKs. The rest would cost 50M or more today. Mendy or Maignan are not top GKs, regardless of the forum's fantasies.

So if you want the next best thing on the market you have to pay top dollar. Or get lucky in finding some wonderkid from a small club, that will confirm.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Easy to say scouting and analytics when many transfers we did proved otherwise. Only Oblak was somewhat cheaper, from the current crop of top GKs. The rest would cost 50M or more today. Mendy or Maignan are not top GKs, regardless of the forum's fantasies.

So if you want the next best thing on the market you have to pay top dollar. Or get lucky in finding some wonderkid from a small club, that will confirm.

There are only 3 GKs who cost more than 50M, one of those were Buffon ages ago.
Heck, Stegen was actually 7ths most expensive GK when he was signed.

I am curious who do you consider a top GK

 

[DonAK]

Mendy is World Class and one of the best GKs in the world.

Definitely a better GK than ter Stegen. You gotta be blind to say otherwise.

 

[Catta]

You dont have to spend a fortune to get a great GK. Bravo, Navas, Mendy, etc., all were cheap and all played for smaller clubs most of their careers, and all at their best are better GKs than any version of Mats. With right scouting it will be easy to replace him for cheap. Most GKs from smaller clubs would look even better if played with better players.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

TER stegen simps make me sick

This guy is an embarrassment

 

[JamDav1982]

You dont have to spend a fortune to get a great GK. Bravo, Navas, Mendy, etc., all were cheap and all played for smaller clubs most of their careers, and all at their best are better GKs than any version of Mats. With right scouting it will be easy to replace him for cheap. Most GKs from smaller clubs would look even better if played with better players.

No one is claiming there are no bargains but for all those names there are keepers that teams have wasted money on also.

 

[gregorrin10]

Etienne Green. Purely for the name.

Wow, so his name is Etienne and he plays for St. Etienne. That's awesome.

 

[Trickykid]

Wow, so his name is Etienne and he plays for St. Etienne. That's awesome.

Reminds me of the old Wolfsburg coach, Wolfgang Wolf.

 

[malvolio]

There are only 3 GKs who cost more than 50M, one of those were Buffon ages ago.
Heck, Stegen was actually 7ths most expensive GK when he was signed.

I am curious who do you consider a top GK

buffon and toldo would cost over 50M each, if you take inflation into account and how football transfers were influenced after neymar to psg.

neuer would cost over 50M in today's market also.

ederson was 40M 5 years ago. so around 50M today.

de gea also would be around 50M now.

donnarumma would have been 80M-100M if not for his contract expiring.

keylor navas had a very good peak at real, but even they went for an upgrade. that's why i don't rate him, or mendy or bravo(was a bum after he left us) that highly. they can do a job, but in the long run you want prime talent, and that is at least 50M in today's market.

not to mention how hard is it to get a cheap GK that won't be shit.

 

[Porque]

Wow, so his name is Etienne and he plays for St. Etienne. That's awesome.

My earliest memory of the name Etienne come from Clifford Ettiene. Thought he would give Tyson a tougher fight, but didn't have the pop or chin for the highest level.

Probabnly better than Stegen at crosses though.

 

[Horatio]

pls show up tomorrow. We need you.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

We have to score 2 goals minimum cause we know ter stegen will fuck and concede one

 

[DonAK]

His comments today.....he's so arrogant he cannot see he's fallen off a cliff.

Also criticized the media for the criticism he's received lately for his poor performances