10 - Lionel Messi - v1

[ricknattery]

what is so bizzare about thinking what Messi did was wrong? he could have gone about it in a better way than snapping at Tello who is a young lad just starting out in the first team with fledging confidence and needing encouragement and guidance. Usually when very young players just starting out are snapped at like that, it can have a bad effect on their confidence.

Do you think all our 1st teamers should react to the youngsters coming into the first like that when they make a mistake or make the wrong choice???

We all know about Bojan's confidence and he'd been around the 1st team for ages. Do you remember any of his teammates snapping at him like that? and if they did, do you think it would have helped his confidence?

I just couldn't care less for Messi screaming on the pitch or Iniesta not passing the ball to Leo cause he is jealous. You point out every little detail always looking for some kind of controversy and it makes many forum members upset or surprised, you are known for doing that on the forum. So my advice was to not get into a pointless discussion that makes the thread hard to read

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

Oh, please..what is that chose? He dived even if what Reina did was wrong and if it would have been Suarz instead of him you wouldn't feel the same way(not to mention that Perch tripped Reina before). But you chose to believe that he's inocent because he's a Newcastle player.



You don't remember because you didn't care at the time and you didn't criticized them..you also don't remember all those moments in which Leo apologized for a moment of selfishness or a bad pass..like I said, I don't care what your opinion of Messi is, but I don't think that you treat our players in the same manner and most of your posts in Messi's thread are for:

- telling us that he is not as good as Pele;
- saying that he is finished;
- highlighting his bad relationship with the player 'X'.

I think I had more positive posts about Cristiano then you had about Messi.



What confidence? I'm sorry, but we are not Arsenal..plus Tello has a better relationship with Messi then some of the first team players and if he is not bothered by Messi's reaction, I don't understand why should you.

There was contact from the headbutt! are you denying it?

Perch got a yellow for trying to trip Reina, yes! he deserved it! I don't remember saying Perch did nothing wrong. would you like to quote me where I've said he's innocent.

are you telling me that if it was a Liverpool player on the end of that headbutt that they would have stayed on their feet. hell do you think many from Barca would have?

I don't see what your problem is.

Pele - I say Messi is on Pele's level all the time! I call Pele an arrogant douche multiple times! I even said I think Messi will break Pele's all time scoring record for a single season this season, but because I say the age at which Pele did it impressess me more, apparently I'm picking on Messi in your book.

he's finished - I've never said Messi is finished. NEVER! I and quite a few others, noticed a month or so ago that he appears to be slower than seasons past. Pep Guardiola acknowledged this himself!!!! there are quotes!!!! so what do you want!

bad relationship with player x - last season, some pitchside commentators pick up on some tension between Messi and Villa in one of the classico's and I decide to debate it. this season many papers and football pundits everywhere are talking about it and I decide to debate it. so what do you want!

As for Tello, I am not suggesting there is a problem with their relationship. I am suggesting, he is a young lad taking his first steps in the 1st team, and being snapped at by his one of his heroes is hardly going to help his confidence. Youngsters generally speaking have fragile confidence (not just in football, in life in general), and need encouragement and guidance.

I simply think Messi went about it the wrong way.

and just for the record, who posted first on Messi shouting at Tello/Cuenca in the Messi thread, because it certainly wasn't me.

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

Pique was talking about how terorized he was by the senior players at Manchester United and how much he learned from them..but hey, HBA knows more about this kind of stuff then a proffesional player.

Yes all youngsters making their first steps in the first team takes getting terrorized by senior players in their stride and it doesn't affect their confidence at all because youngsters never have fragile confidence.

 

[Ryan_Cule]

What confidence? I'm sorry, but we are not Arsenal..plus Tello has a better relationship with Messi then some of the first team players and if he is not bothered by Messi's reaction, I don't understand why do you care.

Maria,Just ignore. Pointless argument and he's doing it intentionally.

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

Maria,Just ignore. Pointless argument and he's doing it intentionally.

I'm not doing anything intentionally to wind her or anyone up.

I state a simple opinion, that I think Messi did something wrong. And she takes it like a personal insult as do many others.

if you all think it was right for Messi to point out Tello's mistake in the manner in which he did, then please say so instead of getting all angry at me for a perfectly reasonable opinion.

 

[Ryan_Cule]

I'm not doing anything intentionally to wind her or anyone up.

I state a simple opinion, that I think Messi did something wrong. And she takes it like a personal insult as do many others.

if you all think it was right for Messi to point out Tello's mistake in the manner in which he did, then please say so instead of getting all angry at me for a perfectly reasonable opinion.

Dude, its like your coming to our temple and Abusing our God. Understand the fact that Leo is loved by all here and the topic tittle itself is aka DIOS = GOD !! So next time try to come up with a more valid argument and drop this one ffs..... its your opinion , you said it , Now close it.


And go back one or two pages, I already stated why Messi did that and Messi doing it is not wrong in any way. Have some idea about Leo's on field and off field relations with the players you mentioned here.

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

Dude, its like your coming to our temple and Abusing our God. Understand the fact that Leo is loved by all here and the topic tittle itself is aka DIOS = GOD !! So next time try to come up with a more valid argument and drop this one ffs..... its your opinion , you said it , Now close it.


And go back one or two pages, I already stated why Messi did that and Messi doing it is not wrong in any way. Have some idea about Leo's on field and off field relations with the players you mentioned here.

Messi is my favourite player too!

that does not mean he is infallible, and that I stick my head i the sand if I feel he's made a mistake.

I think he made a mistake with Tello, I said so and that should have been the end of it but Maria here wants to get all personal about it saying I've said things I haven't accusing me of double standards etc. that is why it has dragged on.

 

[Ryan_Cule]

Messi is my favourite player too!

that does not mean he is infallible, and that I stick my head i the sand if I feel he's made a mistake.

I think he made a mistake with Tello, I said so and that should have been the end of it but Maria here wants to get all personal about it saying I've said things I haven't accusing me of double standards etc. that is why it has dragged on.

Thiago in an interview given to Barca tv , : " one weekend i missed our training & tactical hourly sessions & later I was spotted in a party. On the next day in training I was strictly rebuked about my behavior and that day I understood if i have to reach first team I need to be more focused."

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

Thiago in an interview given to Barca tv , : " one weekend i missed our training & tactical hourly sessions & later I was spotted in a party. On the next day in training I was strictly rebuked about my behavior and that day I understood if i have to reach first team I need to be more focused."

off pitch discipline and making the correct choice on the pitch are two different things.

shout at youngster for missing training sessions all you want. not for making the wrong choice on the pitch.

 

[Ryan_Cule]

off pitch discipline and making the correct choice on the pitch are two different things.

shout at youngster for missing training sessions all you want. not for making the wrong choice on the pitch.

at your theory. Tello have said it on numerous occasions that Messi is ultimate player for him and a great person off field. I dont see your point . Even if Messi shouts at him it will work only in a positive way to boost their energy.

Dude you know what your problem is ? you just are so negative that you have to get something out of it !! That's a simple thing and look how you see it. Probably your thinking will bring complications to your life itself. Simple thing and you wanna twist it like hell.. Maria did the right thing.

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

at your theory. Tello have said it on numerous occasions that Messi is ultimate player for him and a great person off field. I dont see your point . Even if Messi shouts at him it will work only in a positive way to boost their energy.

Dude you know what your problem is ? you just are so negative that you have to get something out of it !! That's a simple thing and look how you see it. Probably your thinking will bring complications to your life itself. Simple thing and you wanna twist it like hell.. Maria did the right thing.

I've never suggested there is a problem with Messi-Tello relationship.

all I've said is, confidence of youngsters is fragile generally speaking. not just in football but in life in general. snapping at a youngster for making the wrong choice on the pitch is not good for that confidence.

snapping at them for missing training sessions because of bad time keeping and choosing to party is a different matter all together.

Tello may be boosted to do better, he may have stoic confidence. but many youngsters confidence is fragile. that is why I think it was a mistake.

I'm not being negative. I just think it was wrong. end of story.

if you think Maria was right for getting personal and accusing me of things I never said, that is your choice but don't complain about it dragging on. I'm still waiting for her to produce the quotes.

 

[Rahj]

are there videos or gifs of messi shouting at his team mates? wasn't able to watch the game last night.

I don't want to be annoying but isn't there any footage?

 

[Ryan_Cule]

I don't want to be annoying but isn't there any footage?

 

[Hatem Ben Arfa]

anyway on a different note because I'm tired of explaining myself:

Alan Pardew likens Newcastle's Hatem Ben Arfa to Lionel Messi

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew likened Hatem Ben Arfa to Barcelona star Lionel Messi after another fine display in Sunday's 2-0 victory over Liverpool.

The French forward had a hand in both Papiss Cisse goals against the Reds.

"With the ball at his feet, he's magic," Pardew told BBC Sport. "As magic as [Luis] Suarez or Messi at times.

"We had to work with him to understand exactly what he's about. He has got a special talent, we know he's special."

Newcastle's third consecutive victory lifted them to level on points with fifth-placed Chelsea as their search for a European place gathered pace.

And they were once again thankful to Senegalese striker Cisse, who scored his seventh goal in eight appearances since joining the Magpies from Freiburg in January.

"Our flair players decided it, we could have had four goals," Pardew added. "In the end we deserved to win - we were in control for long periods of the game.

"I'm sure Alan Shearer will be purring about his [Cisse's] performance. He is no mystery to German football and he won't be to ours now. He's a good player."

 

[Ode to Django]

Tello comes across as a confident guy i doubt it will have any effect, but players shout at each other all the time nothing new..

fuck watch Ibrahimovic for a few games.