10 - Lionel Messi - v5

[Mitchell1978]

People talking about last season but i remember Messi having to drop deep last season regulary too, difference was that we still had Alves and Suarez was in better form then.

 

[serghei]

Cristiano is a great no9 and have several players capable of creating chances and danger for him. He has Modric and Kroos, he has Bale and Benzema/Morata and he has an incredible creative LB in Marcelo and a Carvajal.

Real Madrid doesn't have a World Class coach, but they certainly have the perfect squad.

That is true. But his profile is also that of a number 9. So it's not as if Messi can play in Ronaldo's position and be better than him at it. It doesn't work that way. Actually, Messi and Ronaldo, egoes aside, could work very well in the same team, profile wise.

 

[gasgas]

Ronaldo is a better no9 than Messi. If Messi stays in the box and expects service, he is not as good as Ronaldo. Simple as that.

There was one classico Tata Martino played Messi as pure 9

The one Bale ran around Bartra


Messi was completely lost in that match

 

[Horatio]

People talking about last season but i remember Messi having to drop deep last season regulary too, difference was that we still had Alves and Suarez was in better form then.

And midfield was less disastrous.

 

[GetIn]

How about you stick to RW? It would benefit him and give Suarez breathing space, to both benefit. Since Messi has moved deep, it had greatly hurt our team. Why ? because our midfield is weak and garbage, and messi offers nothing defensively, not too mention our Right Wing is non existent. Only sergio roberto on whole RW, too weak. Last year and before that Messi played RW with dani alves bombing foward opened a lot of things up for our team, including lots more space for suarez, who is struggling and is a prisoner in this enrique system

Messi does not have a good enough RB or midfield to go back to RW, almost everything we create goes through him these days. Messi has in fact gone back to RW for brief 10-20 minute spells during matches this season, but he is usually isolated on an island as he watches the midfield make sideways pass after sideways pass and drifts back in centrally. Roberto is also unfortunately not good enough going forward to play with Leo, but then again he is not a RB anyways.

I understand that you are a Suarez fanboy and are trying to make excuses for him in any way you can, but he has had countless chances over this last little strech here and has missed almost every single one of them. I am alot more concerned about his play that Leo's.

 

[serghei]

There was one classico Tata Martino played Messi as pure 9

The one Bale ran around Bartra


Messi was completely lost in that match

Of course, because he is not a no9. He never was a striker that stays in the box and finishes chances others create for him.

 

[DonAK]

That is true. But his profile is also that of a number 9. So it's not as if Messi can play in Ronaldo's position and be better than him at it. It doesn't work that way. Actually, Messi and Ronaldo, egoes aside, could work very well in the same team, profile wise.

True, but give Messi a proper, great RB and a very good midfield and he'll dominate and we'll look like a completely different team.

He's having to carry this team like the Argentine National Team, with Neymar and Suarez taking over for him from time to time.

We have no RB, Alba is underwhelming offensively, our midfielders are not capable of creating or controlling anything. It's just a total mess.

 

[serghei]

True, but give Messi a proper, great RB and a very good midfield and he'll dominate and we'll look like a completely different team.

He's having to carry this team like the Argentine National Team, with Neymar and Suarez taking over for him from time to time.

We have no RB, Alba is underwhelming offensively, our midfielders are not capable of creating or controlling anything. It's just a total mess.

True. I still see him on the right, preferably with a top RB and a good midfielder on the ball next to him.

 

[gasgas]

True. I still see him on the right, preferably with a top RB and a good midfielder on the ball next to him.

And the midfielder is definitely not Coutinho or Bernardo Silva I hope

If he does that, Suarez will definitely get some breathing space as he'll never see a shot on goal or a significant chance. You pointed it out yourself, the midfield is incapable of moving the ball forward and creating plays, chances. Messi simply has to drop down deep, or else nothing will happen.

The fact that we have no threat on the right side due to not having a proper RB is an issue too.

This team is simply way too flawed. Need a starting RB and two new creative starting midfielders in the midfield.

Bellerin to the rescue

 

[serghei]

And the midfielder is definitely not Coutinho or Bernardo Silva I hope

Bernardo Silva is a great option imo. Exactly what we need.

 

[KingMessi]

Just a heads up Gas, there is a multi-quote option.

 

[DonAK]

True. I still see him on the right, preferably with a top RB and a good midfielder on the ball next to him.

Hypothetically, with Marcelo and Carvajal as our FBs and Modric and Kroos as our midfielders, Messi could well easily play as a RW since he'll have all the support he need. He won't have to drop down deep to get the ball as it'll naturally come to him, and he'll have those midfielders and RB to link up with. When he goes to the middle, Carvajal would be able to step in and hold the flank.

We need a RB + a CM and an AM.

 

[serghei]

Hypothetically, with Marcelo and Carvajal as our FBs and Modric and Kroos as our midfielders, Messi could well easily play as a RW since he'll have all the support he need. He won't have to drop down deep to get the ball as it'll naturally come to him, and he'll have those midfielders and RB to link up with.

We need a RB + a CM and an AM.

True. I doub't we'll get all three though, considering we're talking about starting quality here, not squad players. I'd be happy with two top signings, one in RB, and one in mifield. But, real signings, not potential 'let's see how they develop' players. We can use La Masia for that more.

 

[DonAK]

True. I doub't we'll get all three though, considering we're talking about starting quality here, not squad players. I'd be happy with two top signings, one in RB, and one in mifield. But, real signings, not potential 'let's see how they develop' players. We can use La Masia for that more.

I'd take Fabinho, Bernardo Silva and even a talented CM, or Alena in that position, but it might be too early for him to become a starter that way.

 

[mark1nhu]

That is true. But his profile is also that of a number 9. So it's not as if Messi can play in Ronaldo's position and be better than him at it. It doesn't work that way. Actually, Messi and Ronaldo, egoes aside, could work very well in the same team, profile wise.

That's something undeniable imho.

Messi > Best player & Best RW/AM.
Ronaldo > Top 2-10* Player & Best ST.

* Depending on form, hunger, lack of frustration and antics, luck, etc.