Cruyff-Total Football
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I've not seen anyone who finished argument with him. Either you leave the argument or continue with the argument for days.
10 - Lionel Messi - v5
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I've not seen anyone who finished argument with him. Either you leave the argument or continue with the argument for days.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Haha you think I am a 'Ronaldo fan boy' pretending to be a Barca fan?
Your are so far deluded that anyone who thinks Ronaldo is one of best players ever and has been better than Messi in 3 of 4 CLs is a 'cancer'?
Says more about your state of mind than anything else.
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DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
The variation on Ronaldo's play is overstated. RM's squads have renewed greatly over the years and they've had different formations but the plays where Ronaldo scores have by and large been a result of heavy buildup on the wings and a huge emphasis on crosses/1 touch finishes and 1-2 man fastbreaks. As I said before, especially under Zidane, it's become a routine of 2 variations of a crossing play once they get to the final third and very little else. It's not like Ronaldo has been out there taking down parked buses with his dribbling and then scoring, or longshots and scoring (not for the past 5 years anyway) and doing different things against different opponents or situations. His scoring is pretty consistently uniform and the actual situations where he's involved have remained the same, despite whatever formation/roster changes he's dealt with.
Also, you said that he did it with a midfield of Kovacic/Casemiro/etc. But in that game, RM actually did STILL manhandle PSG's midfield. They had more possession, produced almost 3x as many shots (only 4 to Ronaldo, so they weren't just creating because of Ronaldo's runs or whatever which is a totally fictional narrative), more than 3x as many key passes, etc. As well as the fact that Verratti only played 2/3 of that game before getting sent off and both of RM's goals came AFTER the red. Casemiro also had an insane game, he truly is one of the best DM's in the world right now. It's not just about the midfielders but the fullbacks in Marcelo/Carvajal as well who are crucial in progressing the ball and creating chances for them.
In reality, RM have not been on the losing side of a midfield battle in the CL for a while now. In fact the only opponent that has really ever outplayed them there since Zidane took over was Tottenham this season in the 3-1, where Ronaldo's goal came from a stupid error/rebound.
And in these past 2 years and even before that, RM's definition of losing a midfield battle has been different from Barca's. They can get outplayed, but still make quick transition plays on the other end and create a lot of chances. They still find space a lot and generally do go back and forth with the opposition midfield. For Barca it's getting thoroughly outrun/outpressed in midfield while lacking a forward outlet in Rakitic, or playing ponderously slow against a parked bus and not penetrating whatsoever. In these cases they have an insanely difficult time even getting the ball past Busquets/Raki/Iniesta who are all forced to play a lot deeper. Whereas in RM's midfield upsets they are still going end to end albeit less effectively than the opposition. Part of this is that they have the better personnel to deal with adversity in midfield and also that Barca's style can stalemate them in some games because of how specifically they play.
A game where RM are being properly outplayed in midfield the way Barca have been usually goes with a 'Ronaldo was completely invisible' performance. Like many Clasicos in the Pep days, the 0-4 Clasico at the Bernabeu, Dortmund in 2013, vs teams like Germany/Spain/Chile with Portugal, etc.
magicomessi
Member
So, is this language acceptable here or what ?
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
I think JamDav is simply trying to quash Messi fanboys for refusing to take in any criticism and their blind rejection of Ronaldo. And sure, he could be quite argumentative at times but he is a Barca fan. Why would anybody want to pretend his or her identity/club affiliation on a forum like this?
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Report it.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
We simply have not been good enough last several seasons as a team. Our reliance on Messi is ever greater that has reached a very dangerous point. We need to rebuild.
Cruyff-Total Football
New member
I don't know why anybody would want to pretend. But I've never seen him defending Messi when undeservedly criticized as well as never seen him criticizing Ronaldo when it's deserved.
magicomessi
Member
At the end romaldo is just a lucky striker who is getting a lot of help from his teammates specially in cl
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Well you seem to have a full handle on things and are not in any way having a meltdown. Honest.
Feel free to put this Ronaldo fan boy on ignore.
LosBlancos
New member
No love for his movement in the box?
SeloBarca
Senior Member
That.
RM is built around Ronaldo scoring.
Almost every goal he scores nowadays are goals inside the goalarea, tapins and headers.
Messi has been appalingly bad in some games, but Ronaldos abilities are overrated, especially now as hes getting older.
Ronaldo has been crap in the league, but since globally, the CL and WC are MUCH more viewed, Messi doesnt have much chance for any prize if he doesnt carry Argentina to gold.
Ronaldo has had a better structured team around him for the last few years who control games and supply him from all angles. There is no way he would get Barca any further the way they play at the moment coz he would not be getting the service. I mean tonight barca barely got near the Roma box so what would Ronaldo have done. Suarez is similar to Ronaldo in alot of ways( he's a top finisher who thrives on service) and I'm sure if he was with this Madrid team instead of Ronaldo he would be winning champions leagues. Remember last year when Barca were terrible against juventus away at least Messi created two clear chances for his teammates. Who was creating for him.
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TS88
Guest
You need to go outside and take a few deep breath's, its just a fucking game grow up. You should be ashamed for mentioning cancer smh now thats NOT a game, no need for it at all.
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Givenchy
Senior Member
I get the feeling alot of 'barca' fans on here are actually just Messi fans. fuck the ballon d'or, fuck the world cup, fuck the legacy, fuck the debate. BARCA just got humiliated and Messi did fuck all to change that.
Messi is still and always will be the GOAT together with Maradona
Messi
Maradona
Pele
Cristiano
I don't agree with Jam often but hes right, the past 4-5 years the gap has been closed and Cristiano has put his name in the GOAT list. if he wins another CL, 3 in a row, he has a big shout in being at the top of that list. it depends how you look at football. Messi is obviously superior in terms of talent, entertainment etc but whos had the better career?
Messi is still and always will be the GOAT together with Maradona
Messi
Maradona
Pele
Cristiano
I don't agree with Jam often but hes right, the past 4-5 years the gap has been closed and Cristiano has put his name in the GOAT list. if he wins another CL, 3 in a row, he has a big shout in being at the top of that list. it depends how you look at football. Messi is obviously superior in terms of talent, entertainment etc but whos had the better career?
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