footyfan
Calma, calma
The cherrypicking of time frames and stats from both sides is getting tedious. What can be agreed upon is that CR7 has delivered over expectations last few seasons and messi hasn't, but to pick out times in which real have had the better team than barca aside from 14/15 and use that to hammer home "disparities" is as bad as using opta "dribbles/chances created stats" to big up Messi, Neymar, or others of that ilk and deride CR7 as just a "poacher".
It's like me saying in the 5 times CR7 and Messi have met in CL semis and Final:
CR7 has 0 goals and 0 assists
Messi has 3 goals
Do you see what's wrong with cherrypicking times when Barca was clearly superior to the teams CR7 had?
Where's the cherrypicking though - I'm taking all the seasons since Pep left (which happen to be the last 6 seasons), regardless of how successful Barca/Madrid have been in that time.
I am just taking a stab at the question, here is my guess:
-Facing better defense Messi's ability to dribble past players to create scoring opportunities for himself is diminished
-Facing better teams our midfield's inability to drive the ball forward and create chances is further magnified therefore Messi often had to drop deeper
-Ronaldo roams mostly inside or near the penalty box and he is so greater at headers he could capitalize on one cross and score despite the midfield being dominated by the opposing team while Messi can't, being shorter and a lot worse at headers
I agree. I just asked the question rhetorically to be honest.
The variation on Ronaldo's play is overstated. RM's squads have renewed greatly over the years and they've had different formations but the plays where Ronaldo scores have by and large been a result of heavy buildup on the wings and a huge emphasis on crosses/1 touch finishes and 1-2 man fastbreaks. As I said before, especially under Zidane, it's become a routine of 2 variations of a crossing play once they get to the final third and very little else. It's not like Ronaldo has been out there taking down parked buses with his dribbling and then scoring, or longshots and scoring (not for the past 5 years anyway) and doing different things against different opponents or situations. His scoring is pretty consistently uniform and the actual situations where he's involved have remained the same, despite whatever formation/roster changes he's dealt with.
Also, you said that he did it with a midfield of Kovacic/Casemiro/etc. But in that game, RM actually did STILL manhandle PSG's midfield. They had more possession, produced almost 3x as many shots (only 4 to Ronaldo, so they weren't just creating because of Ronaldo's runs or whatever which is a totally fictional narrative), more than 3x as many key passes, etc. As well as the fact that Verratti only played 2/3 of that game before getting sent off and both of RM's goals came AFTER the red. Casemiro also had an insane game, he truly is one of the best DM's in the world right now. It's not just about the midfielders but the fullbacks in Marcelo/Carvajal as well who are crucial in progressing the ball and creating chances for them.
In reality, RM have not been on the losing side of a midfield battle in the CL for a while now. In fact the only opponent that has really ever outplayed them there since Zidane took over was Tottenham this season in the 3-1, where Ronaldo's goal came from a stupid error/rebound.
And in these past 2 years and even before that, RM's definition of losing a midfield battle has been different from Barca's. They can get outplayed, but still make quick transition plays on the other end and create a lot of chances. They still find space a lot and generally do go back and forth with the opposition midfield. For Barca it's getting thoroughly outrun/outpressed in midfield while lacking a forward outlet in Rakitic, or playing ponderously slow against a parked bus and not penetrating whatsoever. In these cases they have an insanely difficult time even getting the ball past Busquets/Raki/Iniesta who are all forced to play a lot deeper. Whereas in RM's midfield upsets they are still going end to end albeit less effectively than the opposition. Part of this is that they have the better personnel to deal with adversity in midfield and also that Barca's style can stalemate them in some games because of how specifically they play.
A game where RM are being properly outplayed in midfield the way Barca have been usually goes with a 'Ronaldo was completely invisible' performance. Like many Clasicos in the Pep days, the 0-4 Clasico at the Bernabeu, Dortmund in 2013, vs teams like Germany/Spain/Chile with Portugal, etc.
I think your Ronaldo goalscoring thing suffers from recency bias - and also even within your own post you've mentioned quite a few ways he scores.
About the PSG game, when Ronaldo scored in the 51st min, Verratti hadn't been sent off yet. So it's not true that RM's goals came after the red. Also at the time of the goal, PSG were winning the possession battle 59%-41% and had similar number of shots.
Comparing Portugal to teams like Spain and Germany is frankly very unfair, we are trying to talk about teams with similar level of quality here.