10 - Lionel Messi - V6

[serghei]

He js the least of our problems not one of them. A proper manager with authority would have already benched Suarez and that would solve one of the big problems.

You say this as if Messi playing false 9 after 6 years since he last play there is going to work automatically. We can bench Suarez and Messi can very well play poorly in CL as a false 9.

We should try it, but there's no guarantees about it working.

 

[messi2140]

Yes. a 4-3-3 with Messi as a false 9 is the best option atm.

For sure, but I doubt it will happen with Valverde seeing as he is even afraid to sub him off let alone bench him

 

[Vilarrubi]

Nope.

Alba and Semedo can't do anything except stay close to the CBs most of the time. You never let your CBs unguarded vs big strong players like Dzeko. Basically you don't let Dzeko 1 vs 1 with Pique or Umtiti. As it proved, even Alba and Umtiti weren't enough, as Dzeko surpassed both and scored.

This is why teams play attackers in half spaces, between the CBs and fullbacks. To pin fullbacks back. Which is what Roma did. Played both Dzeko and Schick between corresponding fullback and corresponding CB. Pinned back all 4 as a result.

Nope. You're making stuff up.

Check the heatmap from the game.. Semedo and Alba are more or less in line with the midfield.. Umtiti and Pique are way further back by themselves.

https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/champions/2017_2018/directo/cuartos_a_2_238402/afondo/

Swap Messi in that game with ANY forward in the world and the result would be the same.

Swap our midfield in that game with Madrid's midfield or any well functioning midfield and the result would be completely different.

 

[gasgas]

You say this as if Messi playing false 9 after 6 years since he last play there is going to work automatically. We can bench Suarez and Messi can very well play poorly in CL as a false 9.

We should try it, but there's no guarantees about it working.

Well atleast we should try it and see if it works before making baseless assumptions that it won't work.

Things are a lot different since then.

We are not shoehorning Cesc and playing iniesta at LW.

 

[Stoichkov1]

Yes. a 4-3-3 with Messi as a false 9 is the best option atm.

Messi false 9 doesn't work as he doesn't even get into the penalty area nowadays. In the match against France Messi looked absolute shit until Aguero came on and the penalty area was always empty because Messi wasn't making runs like a false 9 is supposed to do.

The best option is to replace Suarez with a striker as we would look even more predictable with Messi as false 9.

 

[serghei]

Messi false 9 doesn't work as he doesn't even get into the penalty area nowadays. In the match against France Messi looked absolute shit until Aguero came on and the penalty area was always empty because Messi wasn't making runs like a false 9 is supposed to do.

The best option is to replace Suarez with a striker as we would look even more predictable with Messi as false 9.

Replace Suarez with a new striker and play Messi where, right wing?

 

[Pedro]

People are complaining about the pitch, well a lot of pitches of the lower teams in the Premier League are like that, so maybe the point of could Messi do it on a cold night in Stoke becomes more valid

 

[gasgas]

Messi false 9 doesn't work as he doesn't even get into the penalty area nowadays. In the match against France Messi looked absolute shit until Aguero came on and the penalty area was always empty because Messi wasn't making runs like a false 9 is supposed to do.

The best option is to replace Suarez with a striker as we would look even more predictable with Messi as false 9.

Because behind him he had Enzo Perez and Mascherano who cant create to save their lives

And the wingers he had weren't typical forwards.

play Messi as false nine with wingers that like to get into the box like Neymar, Malcom, Dembele, and there's no problem

 

[Stoichkov1]

Replace Messi with a new striker and play Messi where, right wing?

Replace Suarez* with a new striker and play Messi RW or in the centre, it doesn't really matter.

The point is that Messi is old and he needs a striker in front of him who makes runs behind the defenders.

Because behind him he had Enzo Perez and Mascherano who cant create to save their lives

And the wingers he had weren't typical forwards.

play Messi as false nine with wingers that like to get into the box like Neymar, Malcom, Dembele, and there's no problem

Yes there would be a big problem because Messi with his workrate wouldn't play as false 9, he would play like a second striker/number 10, dropping deep all the time and rarely making runs.

We looked absolutely predictable in 2013 and 2014 when Messi was playing false 9 and Messi was 4 years younger.

The main strength of Messi nowadays is his passing, he doesn't have the pace or the workrate to play as a false 9.

 

[Givenchy]

People are complaining about the pitch, well a lot pitches of the lower teams in the Premier League are like that, so maybe the point of could Messi do it on a cold night in Stoke becomes more valid

really, they aren't. that pitch last night was shameful, even Championship teams have better pitches than that

 

[soul24rage]

People are complaining about the pitch, well a lot of pitches of the lower teams in the Premier League are like that, so maybe the point of could Messi do it on a cold night in Stoke becomes more valid

cmon man. silva, aguero, mata, sanchez and etc. all played well in the premier league. you really don't think that messi can't do it as well?

Because behind him he had Enzo Perez and Mascherano who cant create to save their lives

And the wingers he had weren't typical forwards.

play Messi as false nine with wingers that like to get into the box like Neymar, Malcom, Dembele, and there's no problem

also i want to point out that pavon and di maria should have switched their positions and sampaoli to play a freaking high line vs a fast counterattacking team like france with slow players like mascherano and banega is tactical suicide

 

[KingLeo10]

People are complaining about the pitch, well a lot of pitches of the lower teams in the Premier League are like that, so maybe the point of could Messi do it on a cold night in Stoke becomes more valid

try again

 

[gasgas]

Replace Suarez* with a new striker and play Messi RW or in the centre, it doesn't really matter.

The point is that Messi is old and he needs a striker in front of him who makes runs behind the defenders.

He needs wode forwards left and right of him who will play between the CBs and FBs and make runs to receive his passes

 

[messi2140]

I know one thing for sure Messi Coutinho and Dembele under Pep would be the most dangerous attacking force.

Yet Coutinho yesterday looked like he just got promoted from the b team.

 

[Pedro]

cmon man. silva, aguero, mata, sanchez and etc. all played well in the premier league. you really don't think that messi can't do it as well?

didn't say he couldn't do well, I'm talking about on bad pitches specifically like last night where he didn't play well.

try again

I didn't say he couldn't do well there, it was Andy Gray a UK pundit asking that question, but some pitches in the PL are bad like last night too