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BBZ8800
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I don't fully agree.
Neymar is extremely hot and cold player.
For example, we all know that he CAN play on a level where he was the 2nd or the 3rd best player in the world.
But the problem is that this is how it goes with him:
1. he plays in a god-like mode for 2-3 Months
2. then he gets tons of praise
3. then he fells in love with himself and in love with that praise
4. and then he starts his stupid period of play like in Spring 2015 and Spring 2016 with keeping the ball too long, dribbling for no reason, trying illogical tricks, provoking the opponents even more, getting into fights easily, scoring 0 or 1-2 goals in 3-4 Months etc
Then, after some time of being a crap, he somehow goes back into a god-like mode, and then the same story:
1. he plays simpler, faster and more efficient
2. he plays awesome for 2-3-4 Months
3. he gets tons of praise again
4. he loses his head again because of the praise, fells in love with himsfelf and again changes his style to ballhogging, illogical dribbles and decisions, playing too slow, provoking opponents on purpose, fighting with everyone etc
So, CAN Neymar play at the highest level?
= YES
Can he do it CONSISTENTLY over 1 season, or at least long enough so that we don't suffer as a club?
= I don't believe in that anymore. He is just too hot and cold (he is not 19 anymore, either)
About him being a leader:
Can he be a leader?
= YES, sometimes
Can he a be a leader on longer periods, like 2-3-4 years, where he would stay calm in his head all the time, being both the leader/example (like Ronnie/Messi) and a great/decisive player whenever we need him?
= imo, one big NO
The way how I see him is:
= he is a perfect "helper" to a guy like Ronnie or Messi.
He can work that way. Messi or Ronnie would take the responsibility, and Neymar will follow them and from time to time offer insane periods of his game.
But him as a one-man leader for the best club in the world, Barca, I just don't see him at that level.
For Barca, he just goes into extremes too often from god-like Months to Pedro-in-his-worst-days-mode, as a player.
Currently, I can't rely on him that he will be in a god-mode when we need him the most, (in the future) in April and May against Real, Bayern and Atletico in CL quarters and semis.
Maybe he will deliver, maybe he won't.
He is extremely unpredictable.
A slightly too unpredictable to be a key player at Barca, and to be a player on whom we could always rely, like or Ronnie or Messi in the last 10-12 years.
How many times has Ronnie disappointed us when we needed him (once in 8-10 matches, at most).
Also, as a Barca's leader, he just goes into too many fights, incidents etc. (And no, it is NOT because he get kicked all the time. All other top players get kicked all the time also, and Ney is the one with the highest amount of idiotisms and fights with everyone around the pitch).
So again, imo, for Barca's future, we will either need a new playmaker/leader.
Or we will need a guy like Reus or someone one day who will share at least 50:50 responsibility/leadership with Neymar, cause there is NO WAY that Ney could lead this club alone (or being a key player alone with way weaker players around him, like in a Brazilian NT).
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Barcilliant
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Dude, please never put Fucking Figo on that list.
Rivaldo was twice the player.
When it comes to leadership Xavi, Puyol and even Valdes were leaders.
At the moment only Mascherano is showing some balls.
This BBZ guy again. You don't need both the leadership and talent to come from one player. If you look at bayern, its not obvious who is the "leader" amongst the players nor is it clear who is THE best player in the team either. If a team of professional athletes need one or two players to lead and then they can player better again, there is something else is wrong.
BBZ8800
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I don't rate Bayern as high as Barca.
Bayern is awesome in the last 5 years and a European powerhouse.
And even though they had awesome moments in the last 20 years, Barca is at least one step infront of them over the last 20 years.
Further, Bayern's game/tactics/mentality is slightly different than Barca's.
They are (and always were) more like a team/collective and less a one-man/leader show.
Barca and Real were always more like teams (slightly less collective than Bayern) with 2-3 world class guys who will bring the teams to the heights with their individual brilliance.
Someone will say how we were a brilliant collective in Pep's era, true.
But more or less, during our history, Barca and Real were always teams led by awesome individuals (Romario, Stoichkov, Ronaldo the Brasilian, Rivaldo, the one whom we can't mention, Ronaldinho, Messi or Ronaldo the Brazilian, Zidane, Figo, Cr7 on the other side etc).
I mean, we play the same formation for the last 15 years, without too many inovations.
We don't have a plan B for 20 years, except on some rare occasions.
Our mentality and our game is just designed that way.
Further, our most "collective" seasons were 2006 with an individual brilliance of Ronnie, Etoo and young Messi.
Helped by a collective play by Xavi, Iniesta and Deco.
Or seasons 2009-2011 with individual brilliance of Messi, Henry, Etoo and collective with a key ingredient Xavi-Iniesta (Busi) in the middle.
Now, if you remove Xavi-Iniesta from these maths, since La Masia isn't that lucky anymore, and since we'll probably never have as good midfield ever, what can you do then?
Rely on a collective effort from players like Roberto, Rafinha and similar in the future? Well...
That means that our only option is, as more or less always, too have a world class attacking line.
And then again, when you remove Messi from these maths in the future, what do we have?
Neymar? Oh well...
So, in shorter:
1. in our DNA is to have one style of play/one system which needs 1-2-3 world class individual attacking players to make this system work
2. we won't have Xavi-Iniesta ever again
3. we won't have Messi ever again
When you sum everything, I am surely not horribly wrong when I say that Neymar alone (without Messi-Xavi-Iniesta) can in no way lead this team/system.
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Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
Well that's just a very stupid thing to do to be honest... already was ashamed when he did this in the last Copa America with Brazil, and now he goes and does it with us.
After what happened against Espanyol and the consequences for Suarez, he should know better !
But hey, who knows, may be next game is standing between him and a friend's birthday party.. we wouldn't want him to miss that!
Vlom
Previously known as Mehssi
BarçaBarça
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I read that the ref. didn't include it in his report, so according to the spanish rules it didn't happen
facepalm. Would have been fully deserved.I like to think that Lucho would have played Nolito instead of him or subbed him out in the last couple of games, but maybe I'm just dreaming (surely it would have helped the team, though - and him as he would get rest). He really has been dreadful and contributed with nothing other than bad attitude for a long time now
(...but of course selling him, as some in here suggest, is a joke)
BarçaBarça
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Pretty much says Barto will allow Neymar to go to Olympics and CA because he doesn't want a conflict
That is crazy. He clearly needs rest - he shouldn't play CA.
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