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Trickykid
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I can't even begin to imagine the clusterfuck that would've ensued, if we'd sold Nerman this summer. Not only would we have had to replace him with someone vastly inferior, but we'd also be forced to pay ridiculous money for said replacement, as everyone out there would know full well that we'd be desperate with our pockets full of euros.
xXKonan
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I've seen so many Barca, fans say on twitter we should've sold him for the sweet cash. and think guys, like Griezmaan,Reus,Sane etc would be good replacements.
A post I made during the whole saga was the only positive side of it was the "190" Million we would give out of it. but even then it's not really a positive as theirs no one out there that can seriously replace Neymar without a serious drop in quality.
It's the same stuff as a couple of years ago back during the end of the 2013/14 season when people were Advocating the sale of Messi, because he had a bad season. people think the amount of "Money" and lose their heads over it and think Messi of all people is easily replaceable.
People can bitch all they want about his recent performances and rightfully so. but when Neymar, was at his best I have yet to see anyone out there (Bar Messi) that could replace him on the LW without a massive drop in quality.
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TornAndFrayed
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ney kinda remains a gamble. Assuming any team could've signed him, he'd have to replicate his october form for quite some time to justify not selling him then (or, more realistically, gradually & consistently improve, but you never know with neymar...)
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BBZ8800
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With whom exactly are you comparing him in this post?
We can see a bunch of numbers and what now?
You should compare those numbers with Real's numbers or Barca's former attackers to get some analysis which actually says something meaningful.
For example, this is how a simple comparison is made:
Barca, La Liga:
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/65
Real:
https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/52
Messi: 33 matches, 26 goals+16 assists=33 matches, 42 points=1,27 points per match
Suarez: 35 matches, 40 goals+16 assists=35 matches, 56 points=1,60
Neymar: 34 matches, 24 goals+12 assists=34 matches, 36 points=1,06
Cr7: 36 matches, 35 goals+11 assists=36 matches, 46 points=1,28
Bale: 23 matches, 19 goals+10 assists=23 matches, 29 points=1,26
Benz: 27 matches, 24 goals+7 assists=27 matches, 31 points=1,15
So, for example, in this comparison, where I have actually compared XX with YY, you can get some results which make some statistical meaning.
For example, from MSN+BBC, these stats say that in La Liga 2015/2016, Neymar was the weakest player out of these 6 regarding the end product (goals+assists) compared with goals+assists/number of matches ratio.
So, Ney was the least productive player out of MSN+BBC in La liga last season.
So, for example, when you say something like:
Then we could agree that he is the guy with the highest amount of dribbles.
But then again, stats which you posted doesn't say how many successful and unsuccessful dribbles each player had.
Not to mention how many times Ney dribbles past 3-4 players and then ruins an action with a bad pass, bad dribble or dribbling back towards our own goal (those backward dribbles are also counted as successful dribbles?)
Just for fun, I will quote for some time these stats about goals+assists where Ney is the 6th out of MSN+BBC (Suarez, Messi and CR7 are top 3, with Bale and Benz on 4th and 5th place).
An interesting question: Does Ney have higher wages than Suarez, Messi, Bale, Benz considering that theirs end product is higher than his?
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Trickykid
Active member
I just wrote that he has the highest number of key passes and chances created pr match in La Liga. How is that not comparing to other players?
Besides, comparing to Messi in the first place, should be indicative of Neymar's level regardless.
Last post you complained (without much reason, if you could actually read and comprehend my posts) about my way of arguing, so perhaps it would be better for both of us, if you could just go away.
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In terms of goals+assists he is the worst out of those 6.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
In terms of goals/assists Suarez and Ronaldo are ahead of Messi.
What conclusions are we drawing from these stats?
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Since when did stats paint a complete picture of a player? I can understand it if the player is someone we are not familiar with and have not watched that much, we might have no other choice but to use stats to compare him against others to get a basic idea.
But this is Neymar, one of our own and you have seen him playing for three seasons. Stats? Stats?
Gosh.
But this is Neymar, one of our own and you have seen him playing for three seasons. Stats? Stats?
Gosh.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Have I offended anyone or written something which isn't true?
Yes, Ney is the worst out of these 6 when you take an end product.
What I don't get is this constant need from some of our fans to "prove" how Ney is the 2nd best player in the world, or the best winger etc etc
Cr7 and Bale are wingers, they have better personal stats (goals+assists) and they won 2 CLs in 3 years since we have Neymar.
And YET, they don't have Messi (cheat-codes, a goat, an insane advantage for every team) in their team.
Imagine in what kind of a disadvantage are Cr7 and Bale, and yet, they are outperforming Ney.
Well, then when I read posts how Ney is the 2nd best player in the world or the best winger (except Messi), I have to ask myself: wtf?
Last season when Ney was banging goals, this topic was filled with posts about goal machine Ney, how he scored more than Ronnie, Etoo, blah blah.
I mean, this is beyond funny, how when goals+assists fit our players, those numbers are important.
When goals+assist don't fit to our players, our players posses divine skills which can't be measured with those stats.
Insane stuff.
For me, personally, it won't be the end of the world if some other team has a better GK than we do.
Or if someone has a better Cm than we do.
Or if someone has a better LW than we do.
What, the world will explode if we don't have best 11 players on all positions?
And if some player is better than our guy?
As I told to Instinct a few days ago, when you start to throw insults or unrelated topics (he mentioned how I changed my mind about Pogba in order to strengthen his argument), it usually means that you are losing this argument.
So, thanks Tricky for an insult, I will take this as if you are also realizing that stats are against you (and Ney) this time.
So, cheers
The problem is that Real's wingers have better personal stats than Ney and they won 2 Cls in the last 3 years.
So, Ney can be only as good as them.
Hardly better than them.
About Reus, Griezmann or other guys, they have never actually played here, so we can't compare it exactly.
Maybe they would have weaker personal numbers than Ney, maybe they would have the same numbers or even better numbers.
How will we measure whether those guys would be a better fit or an equal fit?
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F
Flavia
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Yeah, it's neymar's fault rm got such easy draws in the cl, and then won on penalties. Sound logic, can't argue with that.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
So Bale and Ronaldo have better stats mean they are better wingers than Neymar?
By that standards Ronaldo is just ahead of Messi?
BBZ you change the criteria to fit when you wont apply it to other players.
Can just as easy throw it back at you that last season it was not all about goals and assists when it came to Neymar now you are claiming it is.
By that standards Ronaldo is just ahead of Messi?
BBZ you change the criteria to fit when you wont apply it to other players.
Can just as easy throw it back at you that last season it was not all about goals and assists when it came to Neymar now you are claiming it is.
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