11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

[Danic]

Chygrynskiy wasnt.

Difference was that one performed and other didnt.

Pep played Busi as he was good enough from the start and got better.

Why didnt Bojan progress under him? He got plenty of time.

The ability and performances of the player matters a lot more than a manager making them a player with minutes on the park.

Not wrong at all and Pep didnt play players just to develop them and with likes of chygrynskiy was quick to dump them if didnt perform.

Yeah ofc u have to have the last word as usual.
So whats the meaning of ur last sentence?? I dont say every players progresses under him. But as u said urself, he gives young players like bojan plenty of time. So played him to develop.
Ofc u cant develop a player with no potential. That was never the point of the discussion and not ur first comment.
If he sees potential even in unexperienced players he gives them the needed time. Ur so called playing to develop. Coaches like Valverde who are more conservative just dont do it in that way. Most coaches
wont do it as much as pep....
[MENTION=19390]ronniecro[/MENTION]
If all rumours are true i definately agree with that regarding his behaviour. It is questionable. I had already doubts with it when he forced his change to Barca....

 

[LeeRomeno]

Ofc he was good. What has this to do with my comment? U cant develop a player without potential.
But a young player was given many game time to develop. U said this is a myth and i said pep is coach who does this. Even with a better proven player on the position. U think a coach like valverde would do it in this way with a player right out of la masia? No way.
Ur comment was just wrong and now ur just jumping from one thing to another...

If Valverde actually coached that B team before and knew Busis capabilities from that time on, I am pretty sure he would trust him.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah ofc u have to have the last word as usual.
So whats the meaning of ur last sentence?? I dont say every players progresses under him. But as u said urself, he gives young players like bojan plenty of time. So played him to develop.
Ofc u cant develop a player with no potential. That was never the point of the discussion and not ur first comment.
If he sees potential even in unexperienced players he gives them the needed time. Ur so called playing to develop. Coaches like Valverde who are more conservative just dont do it in that way. Most coaches
wont do it as much as pep....

The old 'last word' argument as if you should say your piece then thats it. Block me if dont like it.

He never gave all players time to develop. Pep is as ruthless as they come and wont play a youngster not performing as he showed.

Plenty of coaches play youngsters as much if not more than Pep.

 

[serghei]

Kid needs to play. That's all. Don't see any behaviour issues so far. He's probably disappointed he isn't playing much. That's normal for a 20 years old.

 

[Danic]

But u said they dont?? Its a myth?? If i play a youngster i play him to develop. There is no one world class from the beginnig....

@Romeno
As i wrote. There was an outstanding Toure on that position already. But still he gave Busi more time then him. Thats all i said.
Not every coach would do that.

 

[JamDav1982]

But u said they dont?? Its a myth?? If i play a youngster i play him to develop. There is no one world class from the beginnig....

Try calming down and make some sense.

 

[Danic]

Try calming down and make some sense.

So finally caught right?

 

[JamDav1982]

So finally caught right?

Again makes no sense and you are grasping at arguments never made it seems.

But u said they dont?? Its a myth?? If i play a youngster i play him to develop. There is no one world class from the beginnig....

@Romeno
As i wrote. There was an outstanding Toure on that position already. But still he gave Busi more time then him. Thats all i said.
Not every coach would do that.

Busi was in the squad on merit then played more than Toure when he was playing the better football.

This idea you put forward that youngsters under Pep dont have to fight for spot and he plays for them to develop is a myth as I said.

 

[PhilS]

He'll have to get more playing time now, with Iniesta out, Vidal in the dog house, D Suarez forgotten, Coutinho not eligible for CL. There's no way Paulinho and Gomes will soak up all the minutes, given their recent form. But if Dembele does not show more against Malaga, no, Valverde will certainly not start him vs. Chelsea. No coach in the world would.

 

[henias]

What big games rofl. Majority of Barca fanbase would not want Gomes near the field. I mean how many times have you heard player being booed. It is just current situation, if Dembele would have had different season, who knows what our lineup would have been. But he did not and his performances after coming back have been not really mind-blowing. So once Iniesta had to be subbed Valverde had choice between slippy D, defensive behemoth Vidal, totally off form Paulinho or relatively fresh Gomes. As the result showed, he made correct choice. Does not mean it's a fact he will always select Gomes ahead of him rofl.
Honestly, as a manager I would have not trusted Dembele to play vs Atletico in such a crucial game considering all circumstances as well.

Cant expect him to be mind blowing when he played less than 7 full games since his injury. Doesnt work that way. Never asked Dembele to be played 90 mins against Atletco as well. Was fresh as well.

 

[Lelouch vi Britannia]

AS is fake news, especially when it comes to Barca. Nothing to see here.

 

[Givenchy]

the thing people are forgetting is Busi was a la masia product, Dembele is a 105m+ signing. young? sure but he's supposed to not only be developing but also making the difference.

 

[LeeRomeno]

Cant expect him to be mind blowing when he played less than 7 full games since his injury. Doesnt work that way. Never asked Dembele to be played 90 mins against Atletco as well. Was fresh as well.

Sure and for that reason you just do not play him in a game of that magnitude if he is not ready. Either 0-0 at home vs Atletico or later holding 1-0 you will rely on someone who is more experience and merged into team.
It is pretty obvious ever since his move he has been kinda starstruck on the club and surroundings and has due to that had a very difficult start. Gomes didnt ruin the game or lost the game for us, apart from some brainfarts in attack, he was decent, no one can tell how it could have been with Dembele.

 

[Danic]

He wasnt playing the better football.
Where did i say they dont have to fight? U just throw out some sentences an jump from a to b as i said before. And then u even say my arguing makes no sense. Pretty funny.
U bring up anithee example with bojan urself...
Pep is someone trying to develop young players. Valverde is definatly not. At least not when he has experienced good players on that position.
Pep gave them many game time even when he had them. Ofc some other coaches are doing this as well. But when this is not playing them to develop what is it called in your opininion.
Im still waiting for the definition of what u said in your initial post....

 

[MessiCam]

the thing people are forgetting is Busi was a la masia product, Dembele is a 105m+ signing. young? sure but he's supposed to not only be developing but also making the difference.

How is he supposed to when since his return he is being used to break buses that neither Messi or Coutinho can? Getafe, Las Palmas... That's an awful lot of pressure to put on a 20 year old kid that has been injured for half the season.

The only proper run since his return was against Girona and he was good but he was immediately dropped for Vidal and then asked to break another bus...

How is he supposed to integrate when his playing time is being limited to those frantic moments when chasing a game. Bare in mind Valverde has publically stated, in his presser, after the Getafe game that Dembélé's was brought on for the purpose of dribbling the defence.