8 - Pedri

[vegitot]

Yea, all players were pretty tired at this Euro and the intensity was not really high. Club football is much more fierce. Not really a great indicator. Lets see him this season vs AM, Bilbao, Sevilla, and in CL.

His problem is pressing so far. When he has space to make his moves he is class. But pressure is to be expected at the top especially in club football where you face well-drilled teams like that Bilbao team Marcelino set up.

He has no problem to deal with pressure. In fact he is one of the best Barca man when dealing with it. Barely lose his possesion.
Problem is his offensive role in the team.

 

[fergus90]

I think he was fine with the ball but because of where he is positionally he doesn’t receive it enough to make enough impact.

I’d like to see a Pedri-Nico-FDJ midfield or try Pedri-FDJ double pivot with Coutinho/Demir type in front of them. Pedri-Busi-Fdj just doesn’t work in my opinion and at Busi’s age is very unlikely to ever work for the long term.

 

[jamrock]

1) a double pivot is a non starter we don't have the players for it, asking Pedri to play in a double pivot where he sits and De jong drives shows a lack of understanding of his abilities & the system itself, to be Frank Pedri doesn't have a place in a double pivot system, unless he maybe goes back to being a winger, he can play AM doesn't offer enough of a treat for that position & can't play in the pivot.

So having established that its literally a bad idea to even entertain the pivot with him in it, we have to figure out better ways for the team to be able to adjust when teams press us, because that's what everyone will do now.

1) drop busquets

2) in the very likely event he isn't dropped, out midfield as to become more compact,to give busquets more passing options.

3) if two isn't the way koeman wants to go, he prefers to have his midfield stretch into some weird 1-1-1, then our fullbacks have to come inside like pep does with city to provide more passing options when we are pressed.

4) we need a bit if pace up front, I have personally lost all faith in dembele,but he is the only player we have that can run,when we get him & fati back and koeman chooses either option 2) more compact midfield or 3) fullbacks that tuck in, we should be able to manage the press better.

 

[BusiTheKing]

If you aren't involved in the game as a midfielder, then that's on you.

The coach gives instructions and those are based on certain presuppositions. Those presuppositions might be miscalculated or they might change. When they do, are you expecting the coach to stop the game and call for a time-out to alter his instructions?

If you're aren't available to get the ball, and you can see that help is clearly needed in other places, then you change it up. I think that's well within the minimum amount of independent thinking that any footballer is expected to do.

 

[JamDav1982]

If you aren't involved in the game as a midfielder, then that's on you.

The coach gives instructions and those are based on certain presuppositions. Those presuppositions might be miscalculated or they might change. When they do, are you expecting the coach to stop the game and call for a time-out to alter his instructions?

If you're aren't available to get the ball, and you can see that help is clearly needed in other places, then you change it up. I think that's well within the minimum amount of independent thinking that any footballer is expected to do.

Not true.

If you are asked to play in way that is breaking down before ball gets to you then players dont just ignore what have been told and abandon the game plan. They continue to play way ask and leave it to coach to sort where it is breaking down.

 

[vegitot]

If you aren't involved in the game as a midfielder, then that's on you.

The coach gives instructions and those are based on certain presuppositions. Those presuppositions might be miscalculated or they might change. When they do, are you expecting the coach to stop the game and call for a time-out to alter his instructions?

If you're aren't available to get the ball, and you can see that help is clearly needed in other places, then you change it up. I think that's well within the minimum amount of independent thinking that any footballer is expected to do.

If several coaches don't rate you then it's on you

Btw, fail in every categories, as usual.

 

[JamDav1982]

1) a double pivot is a non starter we don't have the players for it, asking Pedri to play in a double pivot where he sits and De jong drives shows a lack of understanding of his abilities & the system itself, to be Frank Pedri doesn't have a place in a double pivot system, unless he maybe goes back to being a winger, he can play AM doesn't offer enough of a treat for that position & can't play in the pivot.

So having established that its literally a bad idea to even entertain the pivot with him in it, we have to figure out better ways for the team to be able to adjust when teams press us, because that's what everyone will do now.

1) drop busquets

2) in the very likely event he isn't dropped, out midfield as to become more compact,to give busquets more passing options.

3) if two isn't the way koeman wants to go, he prefers to have his midfield stretch into some weird 1-1-1, then our fullbacks have to come inside like pep does with city to provide more passing options when we are pressed.

4) we need a bit if pace up front, I have personally lost all faith in dembele,but he is the only player we have that can run,when we get him & fati back and koeman chooses either option 2) more compact midfield or 3) fullbacks that tuck in, we should be able to manage the press better.

FDJ is Barcas best player and he is probably at his best in a double pivot.

Pedri had some of his best games playing deeper towards end of last season and he wouldnt have to sit but pick and chose when he or FDJ goes.

Have the players more for that than the current set up of Busquets as sole DM.

 

[BusiTheKing]

Not true.

If you are asked to play in way that is breaking down before ball gets to you then players dont just ignore what have been told and abandon the game plan. They continue to play way ask and leave it to coach to sort where it is breaking down.

Right so if I'm understanding you correctly, then there was apparently a rigid, non-contingent game plan in place that prohibited Pedri from helping out with beating the pressure and maintaining general possession and that is why he wasn't involved in the game, and that you're in no way making up excuses for him?

 

[vegitot]

FDJ is Barcas best player and he is probably at his best in a double pivot.

Pedri had some of his best games playing deeper towards end of last season and he wouldnt have to sit but pick and chose when he or FDJ goes.

Have the players more for that than the current set up of Busquets as sole DM.

His best period last season is around December to January when he played more offensively and had like 3 key passes per game in that period. His best would be vs Juventus when he played his Las Pamas version.

 

[JamDav1982]

His best period last season is around December to January when he played more offensively and had like 3 key passes per game in that period. His best would be vs Juventus when he played his Las Pamas version.

That was some of his best form last season agreed and he can still play at high level but at his best he is given freedom to pick up ball deep and drive as well as getting forward.

 

[JamDav1982]

Right so if I'm understanding you correctly, then there was apparently a rigid, non-contingent game plan in place that prohibited Pedri from helping out with beating the pressure and maintaining general possession and that is why he wasn't involved in the game, and that you're in no way making up excuses for him?

No Pedri was not being asked to be a third midfielder to look for ball deep from defence as often as Busquets or FDJ.

There are no excuses for him he was not good enough when got on ball but your idea he should just abandon way been told to play doesnt add up.

 

[BBZ8800]

Interesting fact for your question:
"Across La Liga in 2020-21, only eight players were involved in more attacking sequences than Pedri (155), with the majority of his involvement in the build-up play for shots (60%)."

That said i don't think he can be game changer vs top teams. De Jong neither.

90% of those sequences were: pass the ball to Messi and he will shoot.

Not a rocket science really.

Try to create shooting sequences with Griezz and Martin.
That's a different world.

 

[vegitot]

90% of those sequences were: pass the ball to Messi and he will shoot.

Not a rocket science really.

Try to create shooting sequences with Griezz and Martin.
That's a different world.

He has highest those shooting sequences in Euro with Morata, Oyazabal in front of him.
7.86 - Spain amassed an expected goals (xG) total of 7.86 from the open play sequences that Pedri was involved in at EURO 2020; the highest total of any player at the tournament. Blessed. #ESP #EURO2020 https://t.co/HD1x4P1e6z

For comparision, Iniesta in 14/15 Liga with MSN in front he only had 20 key passes. Pedri last season in Liga had 37 with Messi, Griezmann, Braithwaite in front. Using Busitheking method, Pedri is better.

 

[SmilerBam]

He is so overrated it hurts. And now let's see how many will be furious because of what i've said.

 

[JamDav1982]

BBZ flips back and forth.

When it suits him playing with Messi is easiest thing in world but on next thread he will argue Messi makes it more difficult for players to shine.