9 - Robert Lewandowski

[Maradona37]

Odd for you maybe but that's how it is. I think the effect gets bigger if the country lack superstars. Zlatan and Sweden, Stoichkov and Bulgaria, Salah and Egypt to name a few. You'd imagine if they had played for us today forums would be swarming with their countrymen.

It's not worth a discussion over several posts, I'm just telling you how it is. There will be always be certain bias towards those players.

It's still weird, as these people are strangers to us, I find it extremely odd.

Glad you didn't contradict my points about women, though.

 

[Andresito]

Glad you didn't contradict my points about women, though.

I discarded that part on purpose.

 

[Maradona37]

I discarded that part on purpose.

I thought you might have, doesn't change that it's all correct. If you don't think so you don't know much about biology.

 

[Maradona37]

Anyway, Lewa likely doesn't give a toss about most working-class Polish people, and probably considers them maggots. I doubt he cares about the Poland NT other than it helping his reputation as a player through increasing his goal tally. Ditto Ronaldo with Portugal and most top players.

Nationalism is just a tool for our leaders to justify war, genocide and profit. The true 'us vs them' is status vs non-status, the haves vs the have nots. That doesn't have a geographical boundary.

I am against England in international football. But I do not doubt that I would like a lot of English people a hell of a lot more than I like a lot of Scottish people. It's all a sham at the end of the day, nationalism and tribalism in general.

 

[Maradona37]

Speaking facts for the first time in your life
I have taught you well

If you say so kid. I was talking facts and running rings round players myself when you were still swimming in your dad's balls. I know players and events from football history you will never ever become aware of. Us agreeing on some football matters doesn't change that.

I was also making the same points months ago, long before you showed up piggybacking on my points.

Stick to listening to donkeys like Drake. Cheers wee lad.

 

[TemporaryFan]

As long as the patriotic fanfare is contained in a specific thread of a player of a specific nationality, I don't see anything wrong with the fanfare noise to be present there. That's quite natural and may be interesting.

Truth is, Lewandowski is not average, but quite above...somewhere close to Ronaldo, Messi but not their category. Ronaldo said numerous times like he valued Lewandowski and saw him as someone worth competing against.

Proof?
How about the popularity of this thread?
If Lewa were, as some here said, a bum, this thread would not have as many pages,and heated discussions, and this is a second thread already.😀🤠

 

[Maradona37]

As long as the patriotic fanfare is contained in a specific thread of a player of a specific nationality, I don't see anything wrong with the fanfare noise to be present there. That's quite natural and may be interesting.

Truth is, Lewandowski is not average, but quite above...somewhere close to Ronaldo, Messi but not their category.

Proof?
How about the popularity of this thread?
If Lewa were, as some here said, a bum, this thread would not have as many pages,and heated discussions, and this is a second thread already.😀🤠

Everyone knows he's one of the best strikers of the last 30 years - nobody in their right mind considers him 'average' He's brilliant.

But there's levels within brilliance. I don't think people realise just how vast the difference is between the levels, and that includes greatest of generation and greatest of all time.

Robert is a fantastic striker, but he doesn't match up to guys like Van Basten, Muller, R9 and Romario at all, to name but a few. It doesn't make him average.

In numerical terms, if those guys are 9.9, Robert is 9.2 . But that 0.7 difference is massive when it comes to elite footballers.

 

[TemporaryFan]

Anyway, Lewa likely doesn't give a toss about most working-class Polish people, and probably considers them maggots. ...

This is so true...and not fair. And, more than once, I thought about it.
For all of this time spent watching the events, shuttered nerves, cigarettes burnt, so many melt downs and emotional hangovers...How come, he never called me , at least once, and comforted me when my truck broke down, when I got stuck in the middle of nowhere?!!
It ain't fair at all, if you ask me.

 

[Maradona37]

The problem with him is not that people don't agree he's superb. The problem is that some keep trying to elevate him over players who were definitely or arguably better than him - R9, Muller, Van Basten, Romario, Batistuta, Kopa, Suarez, Benzema etc - which is disrespectful to those players asnd makes a mockery of their ability and careers. And worse, some of these people in their Lewa love call others clueless for rating those players above him, when it's actually very fair to do so and likely the right choice. So there's gaslighting going on too.

I made the point a while ago (Temptation even said it hadn't occurred to him before I said it) that Lewa is universally popular and relevant in the modern game, so gets a boost due to that. If Ronaldo or Messi were touted for a Ballon d'or due to a lot of goalscoring in Bundesliga, their 'haters' would point that out. But absolutely nobody pointed that out about Lewa.

Think about that - how often do we hear jokes about how weak German top tier is and how Bayern have a monopoly on it? But when their very popular striker is nomnated for BDO, everyone lsoes their mind and claims it's a robbery if he doesn't win it. Even though he did little special that season - scored a lot of goals in a league Bayern were winning every season anyway, and failed in CL. Nothing out of the ordinary.

This is an example of the Lewa love around the world. I have rarely seen a more popular footballer. he's universally popular. Most players are hated by someone, but you never heard a bad word about Lewa. This all contributed to him being overrated next to R9 or Van Basten - people like him and WANT him to be the best ever, even though he isn't.

 

[Maradona37]

This is so true...and not fair. And, more than once, I thought about it.
For all of this time spent watching the events, shuttered nerves, cigarettes burnt, so many melt downs and emotional hangovers...How come, he never called me , at least once, and comforted me when my truck broke down, when I got stuck in the middle of nowhere?!!
It ain't fair at all, if you ask me.

That's a stupid comment and doesn't do my point justice at all - I expect better of you.

The point is that he is a world famous rich celebrity now and likely feels no affinity towards you and Polish his fans in the same way you do him. Saying he doesn't personally contact you is a straw man.

I don't know if that is a gentle joke or you're trying to mock my point, but if it's the latter I expected better.

 

[TemporaryFan]

That's a stupid comment and doesn't do my point justice at all - I expect better of you.

The point is that he is a world famous rich celebrity now and likely feels no affinity towards you and Polish his fans in the same way you do him. Saying he doesn't personally contact you is a straw man.

I don't know if that is a gentle joke or you're trying to mock my point, but either way I expected better.

Hey dude I try to be satirical...I was clowning.
But satire does no come across too well every time I try to be funny.

Maybe you take every post too seriously and literally?

 

[Maradona37]

Hey dude I try to be satirical...I was clowning.
But satire does no come across too well every time I try to be funny.

Maybe you take every post too seriously and literally?

It's hard to tell in written form, that is the problem. I suspected you were playing but it can also be taken as being serious as can't tell tone of voice etc.

 

[TemporaryFan]

That's a stupid comment and doesn't do my point justice at all - I expect better of you.

The point is that he is a world famous rich celebrity now and likely feels no affinity towards you and Polish his fans in the same way you do him. Saying he doesn't personally contact you is a straw man.

I don't know if that is a gentle joke or you're traying to mock my point, but if it's the latter I expected better.

As a matter of fact, what I said to you, I said often to my wife and my friends. They were like what the fuck is the matter with you, you really expect him to call you?!! I just chuckle and laugh. That's all.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, it's getting a bit boring reading about how many goals he scores. like Forza Barca implying that is all that matters and it automatically makes him better than other strikers - as if football analysis is so shocking that you can decide who is the best by a number on wikipedia. Any idiot can look that up.

I have watched a few Barca games this season, and in a couple he didn't really impress in general play. Even against Real Madrid, I praised him highly for scoring the two much harder chances, but then he went and missed two sitters after that. It's enigmatic.

Another striker would have scored four that night. Obviously I don't wanna criticise him when he scored two high difficulty chances, but the point is people in here act like he's close to a flawless striker, when that couldn't be further from the truth. I have saw him make plenty of mistakes over the years.

He is a good all-round player, but he still leans too close to the 'stats merchant who disguises a mediocre all-round game with goals' side for my liking.

That's why i like Benzema - a lot of absolutely clueless fuds used to put him down for not getting G/A, when they were too thick tactically to see what else he was offering the team and how much easier he made it for Ronaldo and even Bale to get their goals. I will always prefer the players who are great throughout a game to the stats monsters, it's just how I am and it comes from playing football myself. It's why Iniesta will always be 100 times more talented than Haaland, even if Haaland scores more in a year than Iniesta did in his career (different positions but still).

That's what makes Messi so unique and why he escapes my ire- along with maybe Pele, he's the one player in history who has perfectly married all-time great level stats with all-time great level general play. If he played like Ronaldo and sacrificed his all-round game for goals I would slag him as a player constantly.

All that matters is are Barca a better team with Lewa? If the answer is yes, brilliant. If the answer is no, then fuck how many goals he scores.

 

[soul24rage]

Also, it's getting a bit boring reading about how many goals he scores. like Forza Barca implying that is all that matters and it automatically makes him better than other strikers - as if football analysis is so shocking that you can decide who is the best by a number on wikipedia. Any idiot can look that up.

I have watched a few Barca games this season, and in a couple he didn't really impress in general play. Even against Real Madrid, I praised him highly for scoring the two much harder chances, but then he went and missed two sitters after that. It's enigmatic.

Another striker would have scored four that night. Obviously I don't wanna criticise him when he scored two high difficulty chances, but the point is people in here act like he's close to a flawless striker, when that couldn't be further from the truth. I have saw him make plenty of mistakes over the years.

He is a good all-round player, but he still leans too close to the 'stats merchant who disguises a mediocre all-round game with goals' side for my liking.

That's why i like Benzema - a lot of absolutely clueless fuds used to put him down for not getting G/A, when they were too thick tactically to see what else he was offering the team and how much easier he made it for Ronaldo and even Bale to get their goals. I will always prefer the players who are great throughout a game to the stats monsters, it's just how I am and it comes from playing football myself. It's why Iniesta will always be 100 times more talented than Haaland, even if Haaland scores more in a year than Iniesta did in his career (different positions but still).

That's what makes Messi so unique and why he escapes my ire- along with maybe Pele, he's the one player in history who has perfectly married all-time great level stats with all-time great level general play. If he played like Ronaldo and sacrificed his all-round game for goals I would slag him as a player constantly.