Alen Halilović
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Kohe321
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They demand cars? Really?
I can just imagine him telling them "guys come on, it's just one Ferrari..."
khaled_a_d
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1-Wasn't Halilovic price due to the fact that his contract was almost over?
2-Halilovic started and ended the season as a starter for Gijon btw ,he is the 6th in minutes with the team last year.
3-He was never shipped after one season,he is making a step every season.that is huge difference.I mean there is absolutely no pattern with that
Halilovic moved from Croatian league to a probably even stronger Segunda league while being owned by one of the biggest clubs in the world.his club shipped him b4 having to let him go for free after 1 year
He started Meh with Barca B ,was selfsh who didn't defend and couldn't earn a starting spot.in the 2nd half of the season he was probably the best player in the team while playing as CM which isn't his true position.there was a lot of times when he was the only one who played with heart and even many times when he was doing gr8 defensively despite the fact it isn't his game.if you followed Barca B closely that season you would have noticed it.
He moved to Gijon,and while yes he didn't end the season the way he started,they really wanted him back.And much bigger clubs that fit him_unlike Sporting_ want him.when a guy like Monchi praise him in public that is huge complement. again it is a new step forward for him.
The sell with buy back is a club policy,nothing in it against Alen.
I understand you don't rate him,but at least don't twist facts there
That should be taken with grain of salt.probably his "family/agent" demanding are too big for their taste.but the details could be just leaked from Valencia (one of the most poorly run clubs right now) in a way to make him look guilty and that they had no option but pull of the race.
Let's remember that same shit was said about Alen last year.people was calling him names b/c of a silly rumor that he wants to get loaned only to a club who play in CL,at the end he did what Lucho asked him and moved to get coached by his friend
Trickykid
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It's so, so hard to take anything in this post serious, when you state nonsense like this.
But yeah, khaled has already debunked most of your ramblings...
Don't believe everything you read.
He wanted to join Barca, played for B team instead. (had plenty of first team offers across Europe btw.)
Next year promised promotion, fights the relegation battle with Gijón instead.
He certainly has that diva aura about him but I wouldn't trust some Valencia sources either.
He wanted to join Barca, played for B team instead. (had plenty of first team offers across Europe btw.)
Next year promised promotion, fights the relegation battle with Gijón instead.
He certainly has that diva aura about him but I wouldn't trust some Valencia sources either.
BBZ8800
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God Serena
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I just can't help but feel that if he were 27 and had a trophy or two under his name, playing exactly how he does now, your opinion on him would be different.
Trickykid
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Sure thing.
With the right coaching and the right choices on his part, I have no doubt, he'll be a starter at a regular ChL side by then. Chances for any youngster making it with us, are slim at best, so I'm hoping, but not expecting that he'll succeed at Barça.
By the way, aren't you going to answer khaled? I mean, he brings up some pretty valid points that more or less destroys a lot of your critique on Halilovic in your prior post.
El Flaco
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BBZ8800
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Ok.
Look, honestly, I am trying to avoid THIS topic and some other topics about our players whom I rate really low, because if I'll write something bad, it will usually get 2-3-5 replies with: no, no, not true, you are wrong, why this, why that etc.
And whenever I post on this topic, I feel "bad" and "guilty" in some way, since we are all Barca fans, we all more or less love all of our players, we want trophies, we want our youngsters to succeed.
And people are especially sensitive to our kids, and especially lately when La Masia is crappy, and it is in human's nature to always look for something for the future, something positive etc.
When you sum that up, 90% of our fans are desperate for some new La Masia kids who will actually BE first 11 material.
And since La Masia is extremely dry lately, currently we have, what? Samper, Halil, Lee and maybe Alena.
A lot of people already gave up from Deulofeu and even Samper. Lee's career is maybe ruined by a transfer ban, and Alena has yet to play a season in a Barca B.
So, Halil is currently a hottest prospect from our youngsters, or at least in top 2 or top 3 (even though the competition is poor also, to be fair.)
Then add to all of this that our current A-team is ageing and we desperately need youngsters even more.
And then add that Real has just won a CL, so, fans will again turn to youngsters in moments of sadness and fans will dream about better future days.
So, fans will dream and read topics from La Masia kids again...
And then, I feel as some kind of a troll or a guy who is against our club when I post "bad" things about our youngsters.
But anyway, ok, let's answer to Khaled...
1. you don't live in Croatia, mate.
Mamic, Dinamo's owner is a criminal guy who has connections with politicians and mafia.
Nobody can do anything against him. He controls everything in football here.
He buys all Croatian youngsters, then he signs criminal deals with them (Modric and Kovacic were involved also and had to go to a court) where he basically does this:
-- if a player is good, he pushes a player into a 1st team of Dinamo from the age 17-18 (Mamic's younger brother is a coach of Dinamo Zagreb, lol. And all NT coaches need to listen Mamic since he owns the Croatian federation more or less)
-- then, these players play in Champions league and Uefa cup
-- plus, if a player can earn a lot of money for Dinamo, he forces NT coaches to play a youngster from the age 18 in the NT team, so that a player can get hyped and sold to some naive foreign team (and to get a better price since a player plays in the NT team from the early age)
So, a team isn't built in a way so that best players play, but in a way to fit 2-3-4 youngsters in a team and to get both good results and to hype youngsters as much as possible in a Champions league and NT team, to sell them later.
About contracts, players are more or less, forced to sign long contracts because they will be "hyped and get an NT spot" in return.
So, it is usually a mutual agreement.
Some transfers from Mamic are: Modric (Tottenham) for 21m, Eduardo da Silva (Arsenal) 13m, Corluka (Man. City) 13m, Kovacic aged 18 11m, Lovren 8m, Mandzukic 8m, Vukojevic 6m, Badelj 5m, Jedvaj aged 18 5-6m (Roma), Brozovic 5m, Vrsaljko 4,6m
Now, you see, Mamic doesn't sell any players for peanuts.
If a price is low, he waits and hypes a player further through Champions league and NT team.
And if player has potential, like Modric, Eduardo or Kovacic, he keeps them until he gets an awesome price.
I know about Halil's, contract, but a lot of things in that story doesn't make sense. Mamic was always able to "force" players to sign longer deals, especially if he was hyping them, in return. Kramaric was the only guy ever who didn't wnat to sign a contract, but then, in return, he wasn't able to play for Dinamo in a league, in Champions league and he wasn't called for an NT team. So, Kramaric had to build his career and reputation from zero once he "escaped" from Mamic and Dinamo.
And then, after tons of high-value transfers from Dinamo, it sounds extremely strange that Dinamo would sell their "next Messi" for 2,2 Millions to Barca...
Right?
Mamic would have signed a 10 year-long deal long ago with him and he would ship him somewhere for 20+ Millions after he would play Halil in a CL for years and ALWAYS in a NT team.
So, something is strange in that story.
This is Mamic, he is basically swearing to journalists all the time (fuck you, fuck this, fuck that etc)
You can't trick him...
Why would this criminal-guy gave up from a gem-Halil for only 2,2 Millions?
2. Gijon, well he was an undisputed star player and a starter in the first half of a season.
Then somehow he turned into a bench player.
He may played the last few rounds, but the point stands, that something changed in Abelardo's mind.
Again, if you are a bottom table team, and you have "the next Messi, or a future Barca's starter" in your team, I doubt that he would be benched in Gijon.
Unless if Abelardo figured out that Halil is "a shiny" player who "looks as an insane player", but more or less, nothing happens when he is on a field, and a lot of less shiny players offer way bigger impact and an end product for a team, in the end (imo)
3. a few Months ago, people talked about him as a sub for Msn. 4-5 Months ago, I mentioned here that we will maybe sell him, some posters laughed and replied: "Lol, a sale and Halilovic in the same line. You are insane".
Well, 4-5 Months later, he more or less surely won't stay here.
Imo, he is shipped again now. We will have a buy-back option in case that he improves insanely (for keeping him here, or to buy him back and resale to someone else for 20m).
But, from a point of view of Alen as Barca's player, imo, if we sell him with a buy-back now, that is 99% certain in my eyes, that he will never play a minute here.
He will either stay in his next team or get sold again to a highest bidder (again, unless if he improves insanely for Barca's level, but I don't believe in that).
Further, unrelated to these 3 facts.
Imagine that you live in Croatia and that you are a Croatian coach.
Croatia only has a few players who have EVER played for Barca or Real (Prosinecki, Suker, Jarni, Modric, Rakitic, Kovacic).
Now, if you have a player at Barca/Real, that guy is probably an awesome player, right?
Then, my question is: why wouldn't you call such a good player for Euros or to NT team in general (as a starter or a first sub)?
I mean, Croatia doesn't have 100s of world class players like Spain, France or Germany so that we can kick out "young Messis" from our team.
It is explained that our federation is corrupted and that some youngsters from Mamic (Rog, Pjaca, Coric) had to be called.
But then again, you wouldn't kick out your best players, right?
An NT coach didn't kick out Modric, Rakitic, Kovacic, Mandzukic, right?
(If you get me?)
So, yes, the NT list is corrupted, but ALL the best players are here, and instead of a realistic 18th or 20th pick, a coach kicked out 2-3 players whom he don't need and pushed guys whom he needs to hype and sell.
But you see, my question is:
= if Halil is a player who is destined to be a Barca's starter or Barca's 4th attacker, then he must be really, really good.
And since Croatia doesn't have that many awesome players, why are our NT coaches not playing him?
(Ok, he is young, but you get my point, I hope)
So, my concerns are:
1. Mamic sold him for peanuts, way too easily
2. NT coaches kicked him out way too easily
3. former NT coach also didn't play him too much in qualifying matches
4. our man, Abelardo, also benched him in the 2nd part of a season. Why? (as explained above.. if he is "that" good)?
5. add to a story that Halil wanted to play for Bosnian NT team when he was 15-16. But Croatia "stole" him because newspapers were writing that he is the next Messi.
We needed the next Messi, all fans in Croatia thought back then.
A few years later, Croatian Messi is getting a small amount of minutes in Croatia even though we had to do a lot of things to convince him to play for us.
The same question (at least in my eyes) again: why does it seems that all clubs and Nt teams are letting him "go" way too easily over and over?
In the beginning they would kill and give everything for him, but after some matches and analysis, he is a surplus usually...
6. add to this my personal opinion that he has very low footballing IQ
7. and that "stories" in Croatia say that his dad is a wrong guy, in terms that he only looks for money, and that he doesn't want to listen advices like: Halil should change this or that in his game. Stories say that he is just telling to Alen all the time: you are the best, don't worry. Don't change. If they don't play you, the coach is stupid, we will find a new club."
Abelardo said somewhere (I forget where) that Alen should train and learn more.
Croatian NT coach said also that Alen doesn't accept being benched and that he is a bomb in a locker-room if he isn't playing.
Now, when you sum all this up, I just can't shake a feeling that something is wrong about Alen's story.
Potential is there.
He resembles on Messi.
But as I have explained, he was shipped way too easily a few times till now (plus this situation with an NT team), plus his dad and bad surroundings who are telling him to believe in his own hype, imo.
For the end, my opinion is that even with a perfect coach and a perfect surroundings, he wouldn't be good enough for Barca, because of his footballing IQ.
Insane technique and dribbling is not enough to be a Barca's player.
One more time, I am feeling like an extremely bad guy now for writing these stuff about a youngster in whom majority of our fans have a lot of faith, but Tricky asked, so...
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BarcaJack
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Thanks for telling us that Croatia football is Mamic's personal farm.
I'm worried about his football IQ too. However I still rate him. Emery "kicked out" Denis Suarez but Emery is a good coach and Denis is a good player. Sometimes there are conflicts between coach and player. His bad performance in 2nd half does not mean that much, especially it's his first year in La Liga.
IMO Alen's loan is still better than once-super-hyped Deulofeu.
I'm worried about his football IQ too. However I still rate him. Emery "kicked out" Denis Suarez but Emery is a good coach and Denis is a good player. Sometimes there are conflicts between coach and player. His bad performance in 2nd half does not mean that much, especially it's his first year in La Liga.
IMO Alen's loan is still better than once-super-hyped Deulofeu.
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Trickykid
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[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], I appreciate the reply and all (exactly as expected; long, thorough, serious and sprinkled with a bit of hyperbole and a dash of nonsense 
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Just one thing; there's absolutely no need to play the victim card. You're obviously entitled to your opinion and shouldn't feel bad to express it.
I can't even begin to adress all your points, but one thing that bothers me a bit, is your persistent comparisons to Messi. Look, noone, absolutely noone are expecting Halilovic to become the second coming of Messi, but less will do too.
Your main gripe (aside from the alleged low footballing IQ) seems to be the fact that he hasn't started every game for Sporting. Thing is, Abelardo practices his coaching just like he did his defending back when he was active (I'm sure you remember him as well); rough, clumsy and devoid of flair. Halilovic is the complete opposite, and helps too little in defense for Abelardo's liking, hence why he was pushed to the bench by a skill less brute like Carmona. Honestly, I wouldn't read too much into a 19 year old, who's still acclimatising to a new league, getting benched a handful of games because his coach prefers another style in a rough and dirty relegation battle.
And that brings me to the last point; kid is 19 years old. Let's not forget that. He's got all the time in the world to hone his talent, work out the kinks and chisel out those rough edges of his.
At the end of the day, it obviously boils down to the fact that we rate the player differently, and that won't change until we see him at a better club than Sporting. This summer will be extremely interesting for Halilovic - hopefully he and his entourage doesn't fuck it up too badly...
) Just one thing; there's absolutely no need to play the victim card. You're obviously entitled to your opinion and shouldn't feel bad to express it.
I can't even begin to adress all your points, but one thing that bothers me a bit, is your persistent comparisons to Messi. Look, noone, absolutely noone are expecting Halilovic to become the second coming of Messi, but less will do too.
Your main gripe (aside from the alleged low footballing IQ) seems to be the fact that he hasn't started every game for Sporting. Thing is, Abelardo practices his coaching just like he did his defending back when he was active (I'm sure you remember him as well); rough, clumsy and devoid of flair. Halilovic is the complete opposite, and helps too little in defense for Abelardo's liking, hence why he was pushed to the bench by a skill less brute like Carmona. Honestly, I wouldn't read too much into a 19 year old, who's still acclimatising to a new league, getting benched a handful of games because his coach prefers another style in a rough and dirty relegation battle.
And that brings me to the last point; kid is 19 years old. Let's not forget that. He's got all the time in the world to hone his talent, work out the kinks and chisel out those rough edges of his.
At the end of the day, it obviously boils down to the fact that we rate the player differently, and that won't change until we see him at a better club than Sporting. This summer will be extremely interesting for Halilovic - hopefully he and his entourage doesn't fuck it up too badly...
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