Alen Halilović

[khaled_a_d]

Fine then, we shouldn't.

If Deulofeu is seen by so many as not being good enough to ever even play a single game for the first team that's pretty much a death nail to the chances for anyone coming through that's not as good as he is.

But on the other hand ,all the players who succeeded here weren't as good as him with B team,it doesn't work like that .
Key for judging youth players isn't just how good they are .it is how much they develop .very few rated Xavi highly at the age of 19-21,just solid Barca starter player but he kept developing even until he was in late 20's and became a football legend .same goes for Iniesta .Marc Crosas is as old as Busquets and playing in same position and early on he was the better player who gets 1st team chances .look at their careers .
Deulofeu developed massively with B team but for some reason or another he didn't develop further after that .Halilovic has clearly developed in many aspects during the coarse of the season too .his defense and ball distribution got better ,he is stronger now too .he is still selfish bastard but it was worse .if he kept improving he can surely make it here .talent is clear no doubt ,if he stalled he will have same fate as Bojan and other flops

 

[Zangash]

But on the other hand ,all the players who succeeded here weren't as good as him with B team,it doesn't work like that .
Key for judging youth players isn't just how good they are .it is how much they develop .very few rated Xavi highly at the age of 19-21,just solid Barca starter player but he kept developing even until he was in late 20's and became a football legend .same goes for Iniesta .Marc Crosas is as old as Busquets and playing in same position and early on he was the better player who gets 1st team chances .look at their careers .
Deulofeu developed massively with B team but for some reason or another he didn't develop further after that .Halilovic has clearly developed in many aspects during the coarse of the season too .his defense and ball distribution got better ,he is stronger now too .he is still selfish bastard but it was worse .if he kept improving he can surely make it here .talent is clear no doubt ,if he stalled he will have same fate as Bojan and other flops

If he keeps improving? He'll be loaned out for a season, and if he doesn't light the world on fire he'll be loaned again. He has shown next to nothing to give us a reason to give him treatment any better than what Deulofeu has received (aside from his price tag) and that treatment makes it practically impossible for a young player to have a chance here. By this time next year nobody will even want to bring Alen back from loan, lol.

 

[Bran the Greenseer]

If he keeps improving? He'll be loaned out for a season, and if he doesn't light the world on fire he'll be loaned again. He has shown next to nothing to give us a reason to give him treatment any better than what Deulofeu has received (aside from his price tag) and that treatment makes it practically impossible for a young player to have a chance here. By this time next year nobody will even want to bring Alen back from loan, lol.

Loans do work sometimes if given to the right team, Rafinha being the perfect example (Although Lucho being the coach helped out alot) but if Halilovic is loaned to a team that actually needs him and doesn't have a more seasoned player in the position then it could do wonders especially if he has a tough coach. Like a loan to Rayo or something a team that isnt fighting for anything other than staying in the top flight.

 

[Zangash]

Loans do work sometimes if given to the right team, Rafinha being the perfect example (Although Lucho being the coach helped out alot) but if Halilovic is loaned to a team that actually needs him and doesn't have a more seasoned player in the position then it could do wonders especially if he has a tough coach. Like a loan to Rayo or something a team that isnt fighting for anything other than staying in the top flight.

Well that depends on who decides where he will be loaned to. With Lucho remaining in charge he's most likely to send Halilovic to another mid to upper tier team that Alen will have to "Earn" his way into the lineup, which is almost destined to fail. With the ego this kid has shown he's most likely going to prefer such a destination, as well.

 

[Bran the Greenseer]

Well that depends on who decides where he will be loaned to. With Lucho remaining in charge he's most likely to send Halilovic to another mid to upper tier team that Alen will have to "Earn" his way into the lineup, which is almost destined to fail. With the ego this kid has shown he's most likely going to prefer such a destination, as well.

Didn't deulofeu pick Sevilla? I don't think Lucho decided that. But I suppose we'll just have to wait and see, I just hope the club learns from its mistakes.

 

[Zangash]

Didn't deulofeu pick Sevilla? I don't think Lucho decided that. But I suppose we'll just have to wait and see, I just hope the club learns from its mistakes.

He picked Everton. Sevilla fought for his signature and Lucho picked them. Neither loan was particularly effective regardless. The thing is, what would be best for Halilovic's development is another season with the B team, even after they get relegated.

 

[Bran the Greenseer]

He picked Everton. Sevilla fought for his signature and Lucho picked them. Neither loan was particularly effective regardless. The thing is, what would be best for Halilovic's development is another season with the B team, even after they get relegated.

I'd rather him have sub appearances and sporadic starts for the first team than for the B team, with the current treatment he's getting from vinyals he might as well just be promoted and call it a day. Its impossible to keep him in the b team anyway since its in his contract to promote him so its either promote of loan out.

 

[khaled_a_d]

He picked Everton. Sevilla fought for his signature and Lucho picked them. Neither loan was particularly effective regardless. The thing is, what would be best for Halilovic's development is another season with the B team, even after they get relegated.

He didn't pick either actually ,Monchi said after he joined Everton they had an offer for him but Everton came with better financial offer that Barca prefered .it seem it was financial decision not a sport one .or may be we felt that Everton wanted him more

If he keeps improving? He'll be loaned out for a season, and if he doesn't light the world on fire he'll be loaned again. He has shown next to nothing to give us a reason to give him treatment any better than what Deulofeu has received (aside from his price tag) and that treatment makes it practically impossible for a young player to have a chance here. By this time next year nobody will even want to bring Alen back from loan, lol.

Hopefully we learn from our own mistakes .though with rumors of Sandro moving on loan to England you have a point

I'd rather him have sub appearances and sporadic starts for the first team than for the B team, with the current treatment he's getting from vinyals he might as well just be promoted and call it a day. Its impossible to keep him in the b team anyway since its in his contract to promote him so its either promote of loan out.

Vinyals is as good as gone .he was even worse than Eusebio ,this team is terribly built and they are playing in a very tough league for youth
Last year we had Carles Planas , Ilie Sánchez , Javier Espinosa , Denis Suárez , Edu Bedia ,& Dani Nieto .many fans didn't like those guys (except Denis) but the truth is all of them were key for the success of the team last year .they brought experience ,creativity and leadership to the team .they were the backbone of the team and know how to form a team and a system
We replaced with with who? Camara,Bichu,Gambua,Diagne and Halilovic .promoting Max Rolon ,Kaptoum Munir, Godswill while giving bigger role to Samper & Grimaldo
Alen was the only useful signing .Gambua ,Camara are useful bench squad players at best .Kaptoum&Godswill got injured .Samper didn't elevate to the level needed and the team overall lacked the true backbone that could help the young players to develop into a 2nd division team
Relegation could be useful .change of coach .players getting one year older and playing under new coach with less pressure could help them to develop a system .which is essential for their development

 

[BBZ8800]

I'd rather him have sub appearances and sporadic starts for the first team than for the B team, with the current treatment he's getting from vinyals he might as well just be promoted and call it a day. Its impossible to keep him in the b team anyway since its in his contract to promote him so its either promote of loan out.

For A team, sporadic starts?
But where?

We will buy 1-2 midfielders.
We will still have Iniesta, Rafinha, Rakitic, Busquets, Seri Roberto, Mascherano as a Dmc.
Plus, Samper will look for some minutes.
In the attack, we will have Msn, probably Pedro, and even Deulofeu and Munir.

It is impossible to give minutes to THAT many players.
If we have 5 promising youths, we just can't give minutes to 5 players and still play older guys, plus chase the treble.
You will give chances to 1-2 guys who are the most promising.

Sergi roberto is waiting for some minutes for a few Seasons and he is very decent and miles ahead of Halilovic currently.
Rafinha is here already.
Samper is probably more ready than Halilovic also.
And imagine if we buy Pogba, Gundogan or someone.

The club just doesn't have unlimited amount of free spots in the team to give chances to 5 young players and to see which one of them will develop well.

As Zangash said, a player will either have to set the world on fire or be extremely lucky that we have a lot of injuries on that position to earn a chance in A-team.
Halil hasn't set the world on fire yet, and we have already too many players on Mc or Rw positions.

So, he can either:
1. get loaned and he will need to shine there
2. play in B team one more season and extremely shine there
3. get sold with a buy back option and again shine there

You juts need to shine.
You need to give "a reason" to Ateam coach and directors to offer you some minutes in the first team.
You usually won't earn minutes just to see if you will maybe develop into something, if you played meh in bteam or on loans.

And before someone says: But young Xavi and Iniesta weren't that special.
Xavi and Iniesta were hyped and trusted much more than Deulo or Halil for example.

About Xavi+Iniesta, Pep Guardiola, our famous and extremely smart midfielder back then said:
"Pep Guardiola famously told fellow midfielder Xavi, "You're going to retire me. This lad (Iniesta) is going to retire us all."

-- also, Xavi was more or less good first team player aged 18, and NOT only because we gave him chances (I hate it when it sounds as if we only need to give a chance to a player, and he will shine).
Xavi just had much more (insane) potential, and coaches and youth coaches seen that on trainings.
Iniesta, the same story.

Anyway, Xavi's debut with 18 years:

-- he was very calm and played as if he already played 100s of matches for our team
-- he even scored a goal also
-- so, playing him was not going a few steps down for our team
(Also, people need to look at his footballing IQ and tactics back then as a 18 years old.)

-- and now imagine playing Deulo and Halil (and look at their footballing IQ today). Playing them would surely be going a few steps down for our team, even though Deulo is 21 and Halil 19, they are older than 18-years old Xavi

So, yes, young guys should get some chances, but young players also need to offer something, and they need to "force" a coach to play them.

So:
1. players need to have tons of talent
2. but they also need to convince coaches with their plays that they deserve a chance in Ateam

 

[Bran the Greenseer]

For A team, sporadic starts?
But where?

We will buy 1-2 midfielders.
We will still have Iniesta, Rafinha, Rakitic, Busquets, Seri Roberto, Mascherano as a Dmc.
Plus, Samper will look for some minutes.
In the attack, we will have Msn, probably Pedro, and even Deulofeu and Munir.

It is impossible to give minutes to THAT many players.
If we have 5 promising youths, we just can't give minutes to 5 players and still play older guys, plus chase the treble.
You will give chances to 1-2 guys who are the most promising.

Sergi roberto is waiting for some minutes for a few Seasons and he is very decent and miles ahead of Halilovic currently.
Rafinha is here already.
Samper is probably more ready than Halilovic also.
And imagine if we buy Pogba, Gundogan or someone.

The club just doesn't have unlimited amount of free spots in the team to give chances to 5 young players and to see which one of them will develop well.

As Zangash said, a player will either have to set the world on fire or be extremely lucky that we have a lot of injuries on that position to earn a chance in A-team.
Halil hasn't set the world on fire yet, and we have already too many players on Mc or Rw positions.

So, he can either:
1. get loaned and he will need to shine there
2. play in B team one more season and extremely shine there
3. get sold with a buy back option and again shine there

You juts need to shine.
You need to give "a reason" to Ateam coach and directors to offer you some minutes in the first team.
You usually won't earn minutes just to see if you will maybe develop into something, if you played meh in bteam or on loans.

And before someone says: But young Xavi and Iniesta weren't that special.
Xavi and Iniesta were hyped and trusted much more than Deulo or Halil for example.

About Xavi+Iniesta, Pep Guardiola, our famous and extremely smart midfielder back then said:
"Pep Guardiola famously told fellow midfielder Xavi, "You're going to retire me. This lad (Iniesta) is going to retire us all."

-- also, Xavi was more or less good first team player aged 18, and NOT only because we gave him chances (I hate it when it sounds as if we only need to give a chance to a player, and he will shine).
Xavi just had much more (insane) potential, and coaches and youth coaches seen that on trainings.
Iniesta, the same story.

Anyway, Xavi's debut with 18 years:

-- he was very calm and played as if he already played 100s of matches for our team
-- he even scored a goal also
-- so, playing him was not going a few steps down for our team
(Also, people need to look at his footballing IQ and tactics back then as a 18 years old.)

-- and now imagine playing Deulo and Halil (and look at their footballing IQ today). Playing them would surely be going a few steps down for our team, even though Deulo is 21 and Halil 19, they are older than 18-years old Xavi

So, yes, young guys should get some chances, but young players also need to offer something, and they need to "force" a coach to play them.

So:
1. players need to have tons of talent
2. but they also need to convince coaches with their plays that they deserve a chance in Ateam

I don't count on signings because even if we get the they can't play till Janurary and the bulk of the mins a player like Alen will get are in the first part of the season. That being said. Sergi is now squarely in the DM role as a rotational player so he and Alen won't affect each other really, he's competing with Busi and Mascherano(Although i sincerely hope Sergi is given more mins in this position than Masch). That leaves us with Rakitic/Iniesta/Samper/Rafinha(And samper may be put in the DM role if Lucho hasn't figured out yet that he's going to get ***** on counters). We can be sure of one thing. If Alen is promoted he'll be given atleast 1 or 2 chances in the season and lots of mins in pre season, so he'll have plenty enough to show Lucho what he's got. And Lucho is the kind of coach that rewards ability and results so if he brings his talents to fruition he'll secure his place here. If he doesn't make it its on him, he and the others have the best chance at making it to the first team since Pep was coach. If not we can always just buy someone.

 

[khaled_a_d]

For A team, sporadic starts?
But where?

We will buy 1-2 midfielders.
We will still have Iniesta, Rafinha, Rakitic, Busquets, Seri Roberto, Mascherano as a Dmc.
Plus, Samper will look for some minutes.
In the attack, we will have Msn, probably Pedro, and even Deulofeu and Munir.

It is impossible to give minutes to THAT many players.
If we have 5 promising youths, we just can't give minutes to 5 players and still play older guys, plus chase the treble.
You will give chances to 1-2 guys who are the most promising.

Sergi roberto is waiting for some minutes for a few Seasons and he is very decent and miles ahead of Halilovic currently.
Rafinha is here already.
Samper is probably more ready than Halilovic also.
And imagine if we buy Pogba, Gundogan or someone.

The club just doesn't have unlimited amount of free spots in the team to give chances to 5 young players and to see which one of them will develop well.

As Zangash said, a player will either have to set the world on fire or be extremely lucky that we have a lot of injuries on that position to earn a chance in A-team.
Halil hasn't set the world on fire yet, and we have already too many players on Mc or Rw positions.

So, he can either:
1. get loaned and he will need to shine there
2. play in B team one more season and extremely shine there
3. get sold with a buy back option and again shine there

You juts need to shine.
You need to give "a reason" to Ateam coach and directors to offer you some minutes in the first team.
You usually won't earn minutes just to see if you will maybe develop into something, if you played meh in bteam or on loans.

And before someone says: But young Xavi and Iniesta weren't that special.
Xavi and Iniesta were hyped and trusted much more than Deulo or Halil for example.

About Xavi+Iniesta, Pep Guardiola, our famous and extremely smart midfielder back then said:
"Pep Guardiola famously told fellow midfielder Xavi, "You're going to retire me. This lad (Iniesta) is going to retire us all."

-- also, Xavi was more or less good first team player aged 18, and NOT only because we gave him chances (I hate it when it sounds as if we only need to give a chance to a player, and he will shine).
Xavi just had much more (insane) potential, and coaches and youth coaches seen that on trainings.
Iniesta, the same story.

Anyway, Xavi's debut with 18 years:

-- he was very calm and played as if he already played 100s of matches for our team
-- he even scored a goal also
-- so, playing him was not going a few steps down for our team
(Also, people need to look at his footballing IQ and tactics back then as a 18 years old.)

-- and now imagine playing Deulo and Halil (and look at their footballing IQ today). Playing them would surely be going a few steps down for our team, even though Deulo is 21 and Halil 19, they are older than 18-years old Xavi

So, yes, young guys should get some chances, but young players also need to offer something, and they need to "force" a coach to play them.

So:
1. players need to have tons of talent
2. but they also need to convince coaches with their plays that they deserve a chance in Ateam

Come on man ,we will lack depth next year and you know it .if we win in Berlin _hopefully_ this mean we will play extra 5 games in 1st half of the season in the Euro season(spanish super cup ,cwc and european super cup) .i.e more games in a more compact season
We can't sign anyone until winter ,and no world class player will join .Xavi is leaving too and Pedro has 1 year contract and wants to leave to play regularly in order to secure a spot in the NT .many English clubs are interested so odds aren't in favor of him staying
We already lacked depth and was lucky with injuries this season .next year god help us with that
S.Roberto isn't granted to stay,he lacks the talent and can be useful somewhere else and he is a DM in Lucho system . Same as Samper .people were hoping he would turn into CM me included but it is clearly in the system we are implying now he is a DM,Lucho himself was asked about that and he said he is a DM not a CM .
So for DM we have Busquets starting ,with Mascherano/Roberto and may be Samper taking minutes
for CM/AM ?it is just the trio of 1 year older Iniesta ,Rakitic and Rafinha . Song is on loan and I would prefer him over any young player we have but he made it clear that his days here is over .
Frontline? MSN ,Pedro 50-50 staying or leaving at best .and may be one of Tello/Deulofeu .Adama will likely get loaned with Sandro .Munir either getting loaned or promoted .I would vote for loan but he is clearly Lucho favorite prospect
I would want Halilovic to stay with Barca B ,but there is a place for him ,it is up to Lucho to decide .he used him in the preseason and probably will give him the chance to prove himself in this preseason .he has improved and for me he is the safest bet in the current B team .Samper isn't ahead of him .he actually regressed .can't control the tempo or defend and make too many stupid tackles .he is a deep play maker in the Pirlo mold but he is far from ready .he is the guy everyone wants him to make it here but we can't get everything we want

 

[BBZ8800]

Come on man ,we will lack depth next year and you know it .if we win in Berlin _hopefully_ this mean we will play extra 5 games in 1st half of the season in the Euro season(spanish super cup ,cwc and european super cup) .i.e more games in a more compact season
We can't sign anyone until winter ,and no world class player will join .Xavi is leaving too and Pedro has 1 year contract and wants to leave to play regularly in order to secure a spot in the NT .many English clubs are interested so odds aren't in favor of him staying
We already lacked depth and was lucky with injuries this season .next year god help us with that
S.Roberto isn't granted to stay,he lacks the talent and can be useful somewhere else and he is a DM in Lucho system . Same as Samper .people were hoping he would turn into CM me included but it is clearly in the system we are implying now he is a DM,Lucho himself was asked about that and he said he is a DM not a CM .
So for DM we have Busquets starting ,with Mascherano/Roberto and may be Samper taking minutes
for CM/AM ?it is just the trio of 1 year older Iniesta ,Rakitic and Rafinha . Song is on loan and I would prefer him over any young player we have but he made it clear that his days here is over .
Frontline? MSN ,Pedro 50-50 staying or leaving at best .and may be one of Tello/Deulofeu .Adama will likely get loaned with Sandro .Munir either getting loaned or promoted .I would vote for loan but he is clearly Lucho favorite prospect
I would want Halilovic to stay with Barca B ,but there is a place for him ,it is up to Lucho to decide .he used him in the preseason and probably will give him the chance to prove himself in this preseason .he has improved and for me he is the safest bet in the current B team .Samper isn't ahead of him .he actually regressed .can't control the tempo or defend and make too many stupid tackles .he is a deep play maker in the Pirlo mold but he is far from ready .he is the guy everyone wants him to make it here but we can't get everything we want

Ok, you are right.

Halilovic (or some other Mc) has some chances until January for preseason friendlies, cup matches and maybe some minutes in the last group match in a CL.
And unless a young player plays awesome till then, that is more or less "it" for him in the next Season, unless we suffer a huge injury crisis.

In January we will buy at least one world class MC, and I wouldn't be surprised if we even buy 2 midfielders.

Further, if Xavi leaves, Sergi Roberto will be surely both Dmc and Mc.
For example, imagine Iniesta getting injured, and we have only Rafinha and Rakitic, do you think that Lucho (or a new coach) would take Sergi Roberto as the 3rd option or a young player like Halilovic/Samper?

So, ok, there will be more room till January, but, imo, there is NO WAY that both Xavi and Sergi Roberto will leave the club now when we are "short" with midfielders and that they will leave the team with only Rakitic, Iniesta, Rafinha, Busi (for 3 positions) + young players Samper and Halil.

So, if Xavi will leave the club, Roberto will surely stay and will get more minutes till January.
Lucho has a pecking order.
Currently that is:
1. Busi, Iniesta, Rakitic
2. Xavi, Rafinha
3. Sergi Roberto
4. Samper

In the next Season, it will probably be:
1. Busi, Iniesta, Rakitic
2. Rafinha
3. Sergi Roberto
4. Samper
5. Halilovic

Again, I agree, there will be some room till January.
But even then, Roberto will play a lot.
And after January, young players will play the same amount of minutes as Samper, Munir and Sandro in the 2nd part of this Season, imo.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Ok, you are right.

Halilovic (or some other Mc) has some chances until January for preseason friendlies, cup matches and maybe some minutes in the last group match in a CL.
And unless a young player plays awesome till then, that is more or less "it" for him in the next Season, unless we suffer a huge injury crisis.

In January we will buy at least one world class MC, and I wouldn't be surprised if we even buy 2 midfielders.

Further, if Xavi leaves, Sergi Roberto will be surely both Dmc and Mc.
For example, imagine Iniesta getting injured, and we have only Rafinha and Rakitic, do you think that Lucho (or a new coach) would take Sergi Roberto as the 3rd option or a young player like Halilovic/Samper?

So, ok, there will be more room till January, but, imo, there is NO WAY that both Xavi and Sergi Roberto will leave the club now when we are "short" with midfielders and that they will leave the team with only Rakitic, Iniesta, Rafinha, Busi (for 3 positions) + young players Samper and Halil.

So, if Xavi will leave the club, Roberto will surely stay and will get more minutes till January.
Lucho has a pecking order.
Currently that is:
1. Busi, Iniesta, Rakitic
2. Xavi, Rafinha
3. Sergi Roberto
4. Samper

In the next Season, it will probably be:
1. Busi, Iniesta, Rakitic
2. Rafinha
3. Sergi Roberto
4. Samper
5. Halilovic

Again, I agree, there will be some room till January.
But even then, Roberto will play a lot.
And after January, young players will play the same amount of minutes as Samper, Munir and Sandro in the 2nd part of this Season, imo.

I have serious doubts about signing a world class CM in january .only Gundogan and Kovacic will be available who aren't gonna be CL bound. Both might be gone by summer .it isn't given it will be just until January .

One of the main reasons i am enjoying this season to the fullest is that there is very small room for improvement next year .the ban fucked us (along Zubi not making some extra right signings) .no matter how people try to downplay its effect .next season will be tough and we aren't gonna be favorites ,hell with the age of the main players it might take 2016&2017 summer to overcome the effect of the ban

Back to the youth players ,S.Roberto didn't look he will continue in the club and even lucho didn't have any trust in him .until he tried him as DM against some smaller teams .Samper take step backs since Lucho used him . He isn't the sure thing any more
This summer it will be a competition between our youth midfielders and Lucho will be the judge .Any expectation right now is premature .

 

[anguy]

Halilovic is very good young player (despite his drawbacks). His main problem however is the fact that he plays too similar position to Messi and Rafinha. It's impossible he'll bench the former and very difficult to bench later, so a loan is his only option. And honestly I believe he should be loaned out for 2 seasons like Suarez (maybe with the option to come back after first season for some small amount of money). There's no way he'll be able to find a place in this team's system before that.

 

[Garrus]

Everyone should forget about alen for the next 3 years, And i'm not implying he'll be ready for the first team by that time, It's 3 years until we even begin to evaluate if he has a chance to play for the first team, Weather he spends this period in the B team or a loan, Doesn't matter.
Anything more optimistic than this is simply wishful thinking, We might as well live in wonder land, If every player that seemed to had great potential eventually made it in 2 years or 3, The first team won't just be stacked, The club will be swimming in lakes of money just gained by selling them.