Sumlit
San Claudio Bravo
He wasn't CF for England, Alexis was playing behind Vargas. He has freedom for Chile, so he can move all over the place. There's no comparison between Alexis and Aguero, to say there's not much of a difference is a little befuddling to say the least.
André
New member
false. Chile plays something like Juve, 3-5-2 with Alexis RS and Vargas LS. Vidal right behind them as a CAM.
Sumlit
San Claudio Bravo
Not always. Chile plays with a very flexible formation that adapts to their opponent. Last game against Germany, for instance, they played a 4-1-4-1. I've seen them also play 4-3-3, 4-4-2. Though Alexis is never alone up front as a lone CF, and he always plays behind another when he is in tandem, and moves all over the place, so it's not a fixed position.
serghei
Senior Member
Aguero EPL, 2013-2014, 86 shots, 17 goals. Shots for a goal: 5,5
Alexis, LA LIGA 2013-2014, 66 shots, 19 goals. Shots for a goal: 3,47
Alexis shot less and scored more. Yea, no comparison. And Aguero plays CF, not RW. But nevermind facts... who wants them anyway...
Ghost
New member
Just as annoying.
Sumlit
San Claudio Bravo
Ah there it is, as always, the La Liga goal tally for Alexis is the trump card to end all arguments. I swear no one ever got more credit for scoring some easy goals like Alexis has gotten this year.
What happened to Alexis' impressive La Liga scoring spree when the team started playing like crap the last 2 months? Yeah, no more easy goals, no more scoring spree for Alexis.
You want stats though, here. Aguero UCL, 2013-14, 6 games 6 goals. Alexis UCL, 2013-14, 9 games ZERO goals.
Ursegor
World Champion
That sort of "wing forward" doesn't exist. Take any player in the world, all the fancy schmancy names like Reus or even Suarez (who doesn't have a single goal against the top 4 teams in the EPL, the equivalent of your Alexis UCL criticism). Once they are put in wide positions in a team that doesn't play transition football they'll face a wall of defenders which will make it impossible to consistently take on defenders and create individual goalscoring chances. We've put Messi out wide against Atletico and he looked completely invisible. And that's the problem these days. There is no system or collective teamplay anymore that creates advantages in advanced areas of the pitch. We try to rely on individual actions. "Yo, Messi, go and take players on 1 on 1 from the wing against Atleti." That wasn't what made Barca so successful in recent years. Where do you see a winger "taking on markers and creating his own chance" here?
And not a single dribble was seen that day.
Semi-Neutral
Sir Alupp Heynrguson
Two problems here. First, let's look at exactly who against he wracked up those goals...
Manchester City 3-0 Viktoria Plzen - 1 goal 1 assist
Manchester City 1-3 Bayern Munich -
Manchester City 2-1 CSKA Moscow - 2 goals
Manchester City 5-2 CSKA Moscow - 2 goals 1 assist
Manchester City 4-2 Viktoria Plzen - 1 goal
Manchester City 1-2 Barcelona -
Best striker all time...Second, the 9 games to 6 games thing, about that:
Sanchez completed 90 minutes only twice in CL, the other times he played 29 minutes against Atletico, 22 minutes in the first leg, 74 minutes against City, 74 minutes against Milan, 10 minutes against City at home, 16 minutes against Celtic away, 63 minutes against Celtic at home, as opposed to Aguero, who got subbed out at HT once and at 70 minutes another time, the rest were all full games. If we add up the minutes, we get 468 minutes for Alexis, and 475 for Aguero. So uh, yeah.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
True.
I posted on Barca's transfers topic, but it needs to be here:
-- 9 out of 21 Goals were simple tap-ins
Saying how he scored 21 Goals is very misleading, in terms of judging his quality.
Again, in the past, we always had 3-4-5 Fcs who could score lots of Goals.
Currently only Messi can score Goals.
Ney, Pedro and Alexis all struggle and they need around 10 shots to score a Goal (when you exclude tap-ins from the maths).
Alexis is just not good enough for Barca.
He is not a Fc, he is not a winger.
He is not lethal infront of goal (when we exclude tap-ins, again)
Sumlit
San Claudio Bravo
The team needs to play better, I won't argue with that. With better team play there is less necessity on individual action to create something out of nothing. There is no argument there.
However the team will not always play great, and precisely against parked buses and tough defensive teams team play will fail more than it will succeed. When you ask the team to weave a 10 pass sequence to get a shot on goal vs tough defensive teams, that's 10 opportunities for the defense to cut the attack. It has happened before.
This is why you need individual brilliance. This is why Messi has been able to save Barcelona's behind countless times even when the collective was looking poor.
When I say wing forward, I don't mean an actual position, but a forward capable of playing through the wings as well as through the middle. A pure scorer who has the agility, speed and technical ability to also attack from the wings.
Ronaldo and Bale are pure examples. Barcelona used to have forwards capable of this, Villa, Eto'o, Henry. Alexis is not like these types of players.
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